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Originally posted by 'mju:zik ya ok, terrorists and cyrus QUEEN: "please dont build a fence...please...then we wont be able to bomb you as much" hahahahahaha I'm so happy that you're unhappy..... hahahahahahahahaha I'm so happy that almost everyone disagrees with you hahahahahahahahaha this thread made me so happy....thank you hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

What an intelligent response.

It looks like ive pissed you off once again. You make me laugh.

And almost EVRYONE in the international political scene condemns this, butyou are to stupid to understand that becuase you think the people on this forum make up what the world says.

And to me, it looks like you are happy when palestinians suffer.

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Originally posted by 'mju:zik are u kidding? he doesn't care about human life...in the other thread hes defending the shooting of a 2 month old. dont take anything he says seriously, his solution is the inihilation of the Israeli state.

You love to put words in peoples mouths to feel better about yourslef dont you. You are in denial. Please proove where i supported the killing of a two year old child???

PEople here know that i am pro-human rights, regardless of race.

P.S- I advise you to shut your mouth and change your sig before you get banned again like before little one.

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Originally posted by Izzy Drug Tito the way that the map is shown in Cyrus's picture makes it seem like its a high precentage this map more clearly shows that we're not taking about a big mojority of the west bank

Obviously a "majority" of the west bank isnt being taken but when you add the land behind the wall, it is a considerable amount. Little things add up. And from the documentary that i saw, it was 11- 23% of the westbank that will be taken if Israel follows the proposed line of the fence. WHY ARE THEY TAKING MORE LAND???

It is not theirs! No excuses! Do you think its right? The fence seems to dig deeper into the west bank. No compensation is given to the palestinians becuase their side of the fence doesnt go over the 1967 line.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King And almost EVRYONE in the international political scene condemns this, butyou are to stupid to understand that becuase you think the people on this forum make up what the world says.

yea, and the interanational political scence, alowed Hitler to conquer some Eouropean countries (i think Chehoslovakia in 1937 for example but i'm not sure), believing, it will "relax" him and bring peace to europe...blabla... after all, he was a legal leader

also the international political scene, did nothing to help the jews in teh holocoust (talking about interantion scene, not induviduals, and not italy's population). also in the later faces of the war, all they were asked by alot of jew representitives to do was the bombig of concentration and eradication camps, in order to asve the people who locked and suffer inside, and slowinf the human transfers and eradication. also Britain, didnt allow bouts with hallocoust survivirs to enter israel, while also sinking some of those bouts filled with tons of PEOPLE .

also the interantional political scene, never realy seriusly critisized the actions of Russia in Chechnia, even thoght the russian simply REMOVED towns with heavy heavy bombing...

and the interantional political scene, likes to critisize Israel on almost every move it makes. maybe because israel is so small and weak in comparison to Russia. maybe because we are jewish, who knows, fuck it

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Obviously a "majority" of the west bank isnt being taken but when you add the land behind the wall, it is a considerable amount. Little things add up. And from the documentary that i saw, it was 11- 23% of the westbank that will be taken if Israel follows the proposed line of the fence. WHY ARE THEY TAKING MORE LAND???

I think your documentray is HIGHLY speculative. First, right now the wall probably takes less then 1% of the land that is not the behind the pre-1967 lines. I can see the int. community allow Israel to take up to 15%, but beyond that there would be quiet an uproar. Again though, must the Palestinian population is not being effected by this wall.

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It is not theirs! No excuses!

It's not the Palestinians either! Not since 1967!

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Do you think its right? The fence seems to dig deeper into the west bank. No compensation is given to the palestinians becuase their side of the fence doesnt go over the 1967 line.

Why should Israel compensate these people? Did the Palestinians compensate the Israelis for all the military, property, and human damage caused by their wars of aggression?

Once you comprehend that this is disputed land - with both side having legitimate claims to it, you will see the only way to solve this is through negotiation and a cessation of violence. And yes, Israel is the stronger party in it, so you would expect to see a decision in their favor, as the Palesitnians hold out longer and longer the Israeli side will get stronger, and the Palestinian weaker, they need to understand they are on the losing end.. perhaps that will convience them to settle down and negotiate.

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Originally posted by Flotser yea, and the interanational political scence, alowed Hitler to conquer some Eouropean countries (i think Chehoslovakia in 1937 for example but i'm not sure), believing, it will "relax" him and bring peace to europe...blabla... after all, he was a legal leader also the international political scene, did nothing to help the jews in teh holocoust (talking about interantion scene, not induviduals, and not italy's population). also in the later faces of the war, all they were asked by alot of jew representitives to do was the bombig of concentration and eradication camps, in order to asve the people who locked and suffer inside, and slowinf the human transfers and eradication. also Britain, didnt allow bouts with hallocoust survivirs to enter israel, while also sinking some of those bouts filled with tons of PEOPLE . also the interantional political scene, never realy seriusly critisized the actions of Russia in Chechnia, even thoght the russian simply REMOVED towns with heavy heavy bombing... and the interantional political scene, likes to critisize Israel on almost every move it makes. maybe because israel is so small and weak in comparison to Russia. maybe because we are jewish, who knows, fuck it

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Originally posted by Flotser yea, and the interanational political scence, alowed Hitler to conquer some Eouropean countries (i think Chehoslovakia in 1937 for example but i'm not sure), believing, it will "relax" him and bring peace to europe...blabla... after all, he was a legal leader also the international political scene, did nothing to help the jews in teh holocoust (talking about interantion scene, not induviduals, and not italy's population). also in the later faces of the war, all they were asked by alot of jew representitives to do was the bombig of concentration and eradication camps, in order to asve the people who locked and suffer inside, and slowinf the human transfers and eradication. also Britain, didnt allow bouts with hallocoust survivirs to enter israel, while also sinking some of those bouts filled with tons of PEOPLE .

Since you brought up this subject, don't you see the similarity between the situation of the Jew in Nazi controlled Europe, and the situation of the Palestinian in the present day under the thumb of Israel?

Tell me this:

Is it true that Israelis who are Arab are not allowed to vote, or that they are deterred from voting? A Jewish friend of my dad's mentioned this, but I don't know for sure if it's true (I can't find confirmation of this). If this is true, then Israel can hardly be called a democracy. I'd consider it more of a theocracy (especially with those who are now in power).

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz Since you brought up this subject, don't you see the similarity between the situation of the Jew in Nazi controlled Europe, and the situation of the Palestinian in the present day under the thumb of Israel? Tell me this: Is it true that Israelis who are Arab are not allowed to vote, or that they are deterred from voting? A Jewish friend of my dad's mentioned this, but I don't know for sure if it's true (I can't find confirmation of this). If this is true, then Israel can hardly be called a democracy. I'd consider it more of a theocracy (especially with those who are now in power).

Your talking buulshit mate!
we have here 4 or more arab parties in our parlamnent, and they take about 10 percent or more of the parlament seats.
they do vote!

and fuck ,this is so horrible to compare the situation of the palestininas with the jews' situation in the holocuast,
only thinking about the fact that i need to exmplain it to someone , makes me feel horrible...

please please i beg you to go and read about the mass killing in the concentarion and eradication camps. people were threated 1000 times worse then animals. were killed and burned in chains. those people did nothing , nothing wrong or illigal, were just jews!
paletians once had nothing, no country, no goverment. With the assistance and aproval of Israel, they almost had their own country before the intifada. They had evolvong econmics, security forces, an Airport, sea police and were alowed to work inside israel and much more.
only the intifada and tons of terror, forced the israeli army to go inside again...
damn how can you even compare that,
realy man it makes me sick and my hands kinda shake.

please i beg you, please sit, open a history book, or watever and read about it.

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz Since you brought up this subject, don't you see the similarity between the situation of the Jew in Nazi controlled Europe, and the situation of the Palestinian in the present day under the thumb of Israel? Tell me this: Is it true that Israelis who are Arab are not allowed to vote, or that they are deterred from voting? A Jewish friend of my dad's mentioned this, but I don't know for sure if it's true (I can't find confirmation of this). If this is true, then Israel can hardly be called a democracy. I'd consider it more of a theocracy (especially with those who are now in power).

this palestinian / holocaust comparison is about the dumbest, most inultive, ugliest, and most cynic "myth" in today's political debates. The Palestinian side keeps enforcing it by calling Israeli Nazis (they might really believe it, seeing that no Arab children are taught the history of the Holocaust) and it's very sad to see they succeed.

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz Since you brought up this subject, don't you see the similarity between the situation of the Jew in Nazi controlled Europe, and the situation of the Palestinian in the present day under the thumb of Israel?

as i recall,the jewish people in nazi germany didnt blew themselfs up in a large amount of people

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Originally posted by Viber as i recall,the jewish people in nazi germany didnt blew themselfs up in a large amount of people

they by and large didn't even resist. Their was one revolt in the Warsaw gehtto, and cases of Jewish partisans. However preceding the holocaust there was no justification agains the Jews -> they never took part in ANY resistance against the Germans (violent or non-violent, legal, or illegal), they were simply citizens of the countries they belonged too... but treated like dirt.

Voting is one part of democracy. Most of the rest is missing.

No separation between religion and state
Non-Jews are discriminated in most areas
Religious laws dictate the life-style of non-religious Israeli citizens
Even today, after 50 years of independence, Israel has no constitution
30% of all people living under Israeli control do not enjoy civil, or even human rights
Parts of the education system are controlled by the secret service
80% of Israel's resources belong to 10% of its citizens
More than 1000 people are held in administrative custody without being charged, and with no time limits
Israel is the only country that has a law that allows interrogators to use torture
All mass media channels are held by a handful of families
In Israel, the government has the right to shut down a newspaper
Non Jewish citizens are forbidden from buying state-owned land

Source: Gush Shalom website
http://www.gush-shalom.org/media/democracy_eng.html

I would say Israel is more like a militocracy. The military is the number one role model for children. Giving candy to soldiers is what children do on Halloween. Every Prime Minister of Israel was a general in the military. When parents ask their children what they want to be when they grow up, they don't say doctor or engineer or astronaut, they say a soldier.

Now you might respond by telling me that Arab states aren't democracies at all. Yes I know. There is no hint of democracy in the Arab world. It's dictatorships and monarchies that hopefully will fall in the future and be replaced by democracy.

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