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Originally posted by fastmp3 dude u have to admit it's nice to play with THE REAL TEAMS AND THE REAL NAMES AND THE REAL COMPETITIONS (something PES lacks)

No shit man, lol PES is a horrible game, yes it got an OK gameplay, but fuckin imaginary names and competitions ?? fuck that.
Fifa 2004, is a huge, massive improvment over any other Fifas, and it surely gonna kick WE and PES ass.
Fifa 2004 gives you the control you want, everything you wanna control you can, everything is alot more free, corners, freekicks and what not, I love this game and I cant wait for the final product.
Bottom line is gameplay in Fifa 2004 tops PES and WE in every single way, yes PES and WE had it over Fifa last years, but now Fifa 2004 is the new dominator.

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq Anyway, most players do have their real names. And u can edit the 1s that dont, u can change the original team flags to the 'sample' realish ones (or edit them/make ur own), u can change the team names and what the commentators call them etc and end up with it being fairly realistic. The commentary is basically shit, too repetitive, but again it doesnt matter because im playing the most realistic football game there is.

Thats a big hassale, I wanna play the game not reprogram it

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Last edited by ThaDevil on Oct-16-2003 at 04:07

So u have played pro evolution 3?

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq So u have played pro evolution 3?

I played the demo, yea, and Fifa 2004 kicks the shit out of it ... not to mention it kicks some more shit out of WE.
I also used to hate Fifa because of its bullshit gameplay, but this (2004) is amazing, totally realistic, excellent moves, tons of new moves, great features like OTB ... and I could go on and on, ohh yea the AI are as realistic as it gets on PRO and WC levels.
I cant wait for the final game, Ill buy it so I can play online against other dudes.

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Originally posted by ThaDevil I played the demo, yea, and Fifa 2004 kicks the shit out of it ... not to mention it kicks some more shit out of WE. I also used to hate Fifa because of its bullshit gameplay, but this (2004) is amazing, totally realistic, excellent moves, tons of new moves, great features like OTB ... and I could go on and on, ohh yea the AI are as realistic as it gets on PRO and WC levels. I cant wait for the final game, Ill buy it so I can play online against other dudes.

Ill believe it when i see it.
But stop saying pro evolution is shit when it isnt. The gameplay in 2 is VERY close to being more or less perfect, it has the best free kick and corner system, best ai easily, u cant just dribble the length of the pitch with the keeper (or anyone else) and score like fifa, theres no spots in the penalty area where u can just score a goal every time from, theres pretty good collision detection, the ball physics r amazing, its far (realisticly) harder to play than fifa etc
So even if fifa 2004 is the absolute paragon of football games and is perfectly 100% realistic, it still cant be that much better than pro evolution 2. I mean, everything uv said about fifa 04, good free kick system, good ai etc, pro evolution 2 already has all that. So what makes it better? apart from the real names etc which doesnt matter anyway if u truely love football.

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq Ill believe it when i see it. But stop saying pro evolution is shit when it isnt. The gameplay in 2 is VERY close to being more or less perfect, it has the best free kick and corner system, best ai easily, u cant just dribble the length of the pitch with the keeper (or anyone else) and score like fifa, theres no spots in the penalty area where u can just score a goal every time from, theres pretty good collision detection, the ball physics r amazing, its far (realisticly) harder to play than fifa etc So even if fifa 2004 is the absolute paragon of football games and is perfectly 100% realistic, it still cant be that much better than pro evolution 2. I mean, everything uv said about fifa 04, good free kick system, good ai etc, pro evolution 2 already has all that. So what makes it better? apart from the real names etc which doesnt matter anyway if u truely love football.

Im sorry man, but you dont know what you are talking, Fifa 2004 is NOTHING like previous Fifa's, it has been completley rewritten.
It has by far the best AI, corner, freekick, penalty & passing system ever, PES doesnt even come close, and Im not even gonna argue anymore, this is pointless, you dont like Fifa 2004 , I love it, so its all good.

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Originally posted by ThaDevil Im sorry man, but you dont know what you are talking, Fifa 2004 is NOTHING like previous Fifa's, it has been completley rewritten. It has by far the best AI, corner, freekick, penalty & passing system ever, PES doesnt even come close, and Im not even gonna argue anymore, this is pointless, you dont like Fifa 2004 , I love it, so its all good.

Sounds like ur the 1 who doesnt know what hes talking about. Or ur deliberately being stupid/awkward.
Answer my question. In order for fifas passing/corner/ai/whatever systems to be (much, as u say) better than pro evolutions, there must be something wrong with pro evolutions. So whats wrong with it? And how does fifa put it right? Thats what im asking.

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Originally posted by DJ-Fuq Sounds like ur the 1 who doesnt know what hes talking about. Or ur deliberately being stupid/awkward. Answer my question. In order for fifas passing/corner/ai/whatever systems to be (much, as u say) better than pro evolutions, there must be something wrong with pro evolutions. So whats wrong with it? And how does fifa put it right? Thats what im asking.

Maybe your the stupid one, see I knew this is gonna turn into a flame war for no reason, so fuck it, I'll just stop right here right now, say whatever you want, it doesnt change the fact that Fifa 2004 totally ownz PES.

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Originally posted by ThaDevil Maybe your the stupid one, see I knew this is gonna turn into a flame war for no reason, so fuck it, I'll just stop right here right now, say whatever you want, it doesnt change the fact that Fifa 2004 totally ownz PES.

It wasnt turning into a flame war.
Its strange how fifa is so much better yet u cant tell me how.

Always wanted a Fifa vs Pes discussion - not that there really is an argument.

Pro Evolution Soccer (which is also known as Winning Eleven in Japan) is hands down the best soccer series out there. There is no comparison - it is miles ahead of the competition. It beats Fifa in every department and about the only thing EA had going for it was the authentic names. All cash, but no flash if you ask me.

Its simple really. If you play soccer/football regularly on organised semi professional teams then you will like PES better. If you are a casual supporter/couch potato with little ball skills , the wham-bam action of Fifa will appeal to you. And someone here just mentioned how they won on pro mode in their first game 5-4. That just proves my point. Winning your first game on hard mode in PES is unheard of - let alone with that scoreline.

The only reason why Fifa 2004 may be good (I have yet to try it but I heard how Fifa 2003 "owned" when it first came out) is because EA is trying to make it more like Konami's games. Face it. Everything that EA claimed was "evolutionary" in Fifa 2003 was already done by Konami ages ago. And you can't really credit EA for any piece of ingenuity. After Fifa 97, 98, WC 98, 99, 2000, Euro 2000, 2001, 2002, WC 2002, 2003 (10 games!!!) they are finally STEPPING in the right direction.

And this is coming from a previous die hard Fifa fan who got disgruntled at EA after Fifa 99. Fifa 96 was a classic - everything after that went downhill. EA sports can keep it "in the game" but when PES comes out on the PC this Novemeber I know where my money is going.

Last edited by razmataz on Oct-17-2003 at 16:48

Like I said before, PES was alot better then the previous Fifa's, but Fifa 2004 is by far alot better then PES, PES looks like a silly budget games vs Fifa 2004, Fifa 2004 is alot more realistic, got alot more moves then PES will ever have, it has better AI, alot better gameplay and not to mention realistic graphics, unlike PES.
Fifa 2004 is by far the best soccer game to ever come out, PES got nothing on it.

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