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Originally posted by Rememberence_

Rem quit showing off! Now you seriously need to get some DECKS so you can put this beautiful piece of equipment to use.

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Originally posted by djway I pulled it from getting 1 digit wrong (damn close if u ask me. My brain does exist!). I donno about u, but i'd MUCH prefer 2 look @ VU meters then listen to hear the level difference. would you normally (sounds like it with the way you say "forced to") just listen? Anyone else's input on that, cool question!? --djway

Haha no worries, I figured you just thought of the wrong one.

Without the VU meters for each channel then yeah you'd have to compare the 2 gain levels by ear, there's no other way. The best method of doing this would be to compare both channels by queuing each one in your headphones, preferably putting both channels through the headphones (50% / 50%) and adjusting accordingly.

I guess this means that you aren't forced to use the VU meters to adjust the gain on the xone32, because you can still do it by ear if you prefer that method, the only thing you can't do is adjust the gains by setting them to a certain increment, since you can't actually see the increments surrounding the gain knob... but why would you need to see the increments at all anyway? You wouldn't!

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]Originally posted by The_One Rem quit showing off! Now you seriously need to get some DECKS so you can put this beautiful piece of equipment to use.

hahaha Joel I couldn't help it, I'm in awe. Buy me some fkn decks ****!

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Originally posted by djway I donno about u, but i'd MUCH prefer 2 look @ VU meters then listen to hear the level difference. would you normally (sounds like it with the way you say "forced to") just listen? Anyone else's input on that, cool question!? --djway

i use my ears to adjust the gain.
the VU meters are not always reliable in its accuracy.
pressings on records arent always equal. frequency response, sound quality and all that mumbo jumbo (i'm not one to get into the technicalities of things) vary from record to record. some to a more extreme to others. therefore, some will be "louder" or "softer" than others. some of the records i have, i have to add 1 third more of gain just to get it playing at the same level. i'm sure u've encountered this?

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Originally posted by JayKuE i use my ears to adjust the gain. the VU meters are not always reliable in its accuracy. pressings on records arent always equal. frequency response, sound quality and all that mumbo jumbo (i'm not one to get into the technicalities of things) vary from record to record. some to a more extreme to others. therefore, some will be "louder" or "softer" than others. some of the records i have, i have to add 1 third more of gain just to get it playing at the same level. i'm sure u've encountered this?

obviously you are correct in saying that sound volume does vary between pressings of vinyls, which is where the practice of adjusting your gains comes from. In no way does that fact have anything to do with proving that VU meters are inaccurate. Preference for adjusting your gains with either the VU's, or by ear, differs from person to person, but I assure you that VU meters depend on very simple electronic calculations, so much so that VU meter inaccuracy is not an issue, especially on a mixer made by A&H.

The difference between the reading you get from a VU meter and going by ear is that a VU gives a somewhat averaged response over a certain fraction of a second. Comparing the average gains of two sources is very useful. Listening by ear does definitely give you the advantage that you can differentiate between different elements in the music and more practically adjust gains to match, depending on volumes of basslines or high hats, whatever it may be. That's not to say VU meters are inaccurate, but probably just not as practical as a well trained human ear.

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... so does it play dvds?

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Originally posted by Rememberence_ obviously you are correct in saying that sound volume does vary between pressings of vinyls, which is where the practice of adjusting your gains comes from. In no way does that fact have anything to do with proving that VU meters are inaccurate. Preference for adjusting your gains with either the VU's, or by ear, differs from person to person, but I assure you that VU meters depend on very simple electronic calculations, so much so that VU meter inaccuracy is not an issue, especially on a mixer made by A&H. The difference between the reading you get from a VU meter and going by ear is that a VU gives a somewhat averaged response over a certain fraction of a second. Comparing the average gains of two sources is very useful. Listening by ear does definitely give you the advantage that you can differentiate between different elements in the music and more practically adjust gains to match, depending on volumes of basslines or high hats, whatever it may be. That's not to say VU meters are inaccurate, but probably just not as practical as a well trained human ear.

forgive me, i should have phrased what i said more clearly.
correct me if i'm wrong, but in general, people use gains to adjust a steady output volume level of sound when mixing, and more often during a mix. obviously so you don't have dips or sudden booms in volume. gains, however, measure something else? they measure the frequency response of the tune. when i mentioned "accuracy", it was not a reference to the incorrect display of gain that the mixer displays. it was a reference to djway, saying he only relied on the VU meters [correct?] to adjust the volume level. You cannot do this due to compression mismatchings and different "mastering" for tunes.

honestly, i'm not a sound engineer, nor am i really intrigued by the technicalities of such. at the end of the day, i just wanna play music



nevertheless, i think what i'm tryin to explain can be found in this thread.

click here

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Originally posted by JayKuE it was a reference to djway, saying he only relied on the VU meters [correct?] to adjust the volume level.

Nar my mixer @ home does'nt have a VU meter, if it did i'd use it tho. I don't know any1 who's got VU's who doesn't use them over gains, to monitor levels, especially in a club.

--djway

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Originally posted by djway Nar my mixer @ home does'nt have a VU meter, if it did i'd use it tho. I don't know any1 who's got VU's who doesn't use them over gains, to monitor levels, especially in a club. --djway

That makes no sense lol

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my mixer has main out VU metre, but not PFL / channel gains.

VU metres on channels are cool, when youve got them, but once again, its down to the ure own ear to determine levels.

How i do it when i have NO VU metre for cue'd track is - turn gain down slightly, then adjusting gain while opening the channel fader, bring in the next track at the same level.

Anyway, thing is, Channel ends up fully open, and gain is in right place, all having done by ear.


i got to use a xone32 on sat (breifly) in the club, and although only dropped a couple tracks, found having gain at back really didnt matter


i was just blown out by the fact how smooth that mixer is!

Channels fade perfectly.

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Yeah very true, you'll always end up matching the gains by ear. The advantage of VU meters is that you can set the gains at a proper level for the sound equipment, to prevent clipping. Gotta take this into account when matching gains for sure!

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