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Cyrus King
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The Talmud
Judaism's holiest book Unmasked
The Secret Jewish Rabbinical Teachings Concerning Christians
By
Rev. I. B. Pranaitis
Roman Catholic Priest; Master of Theology and Professor of the Hebrew Language
at the Imperial Ecclesiastical Academy of the Roman Catholic Church in Old St. Petersburg.

PART ONE
THE TEACHING OF THE TALMUD








CHAPTER II
THE CHRISTIANS



There are three things to be considered in this chapter:

1. The names by which Christians are called in the Talmud.
2. What kind of people the Talmud pictures Christians to be.
3. What the Talmud says about the religious worship of the Christians.

Article I. - The Names Given to Christians in the Talmud

As in our languages Christians take their name from Christ, so in the language of the Talmud Christians are called Notsrim, from
Jesus the Nazarene. But Christians are also called by the names used in the Talmud to designate all non-Jews: Abhodah Zarah, Akum, Obhde Elilim, Minim, Nokhrim, Edom, Amme Haarets, Goim, Apikorosim, Kuthrim.

1. Abhodah Zarah - Strange worship, idolatry. The Talmudic Tract on Idolatry is thus entitled: Obhde Abhodah Zarah - Idol
Worshippers. That Abhodah Zarah really means the cult of idols is clear from the Talmud itself: "Let Nimrod come and testify
that Abraham was not a server of Abhodah Zarah ." But in these days of Abraham there existed no strange cult either of the
Turks or the Nazarenes, but only the worship of the true God and idolatry. In Schabbath (ibid. 82a), it says:
"Rabbi Akibah says: How do we know that Abhodah Zarah, like an unclean woman, contaminates those who subscribe to it?
Because Isaiah says: Thou shalt cast them away like a menstruation cloth; and shalt say unto it, Get thee hence."
In the first part of this verse mention is made of idols made from gold and silver.
The learned Maimonides also clearly demonstrates that the Jews regarded Christians as Abhodah Zarah. In Perusch(78c) he
says: "And be it known that Christian people who follow Jesus, although their teachings vary, are all worshippers of idols
(Abhodah Zarah)."

2. Akum - This word is made up of the initial letters of the words Obhde Kokhabkim U Mazzaloth - worshippers of stars and
planets. It was thus that the Jews formerly styled the Gentiles who lacked all knowledge of the true God. Now, however, the
word Akum in Jewish books, especially in the Schulkhan Arukh, is applied to Christians. This is evident from numerous
passages: In the Orach Chaiim (113,8) those who use a cross are called Akum. In the Iore Dea (148, 5, 12), those who celebrate the feasts of Christmas and New Year, eight days afterwards, are called worshippers of the stars and planets:
"Thus if a gift is sent to the Akum, even in these times, on the eighth day after Christmas, which they call the New Year," etc.

3. Obhde Elilim - Servers of idols. This name has the same meaning as Akum. Non-Jews are frequently called by this name. In the Orach Chaiim, for example (215, 5), it says:
"A blessing should not be pronounced over incense which belongs to the servers of idols."
But at the same time when the Schulkhan Arukh was written there were no worshippers of the stars and planets (Akum); there
wereno 'servers of idols' among those who lived with the Jews. Thus, for example, the author of the Commentary on the
Schulkhan Arukh (entitled Magen Abraham), Rabbi Calissensis who died in Poland in 1775, in note 8, on No. 244 of the
Orach Chaiim (where it is allowed to finish a work on the Sabbath with the help of an Akum) says: "Here in our city the
question is raised about the price of hiring worshippers of the stars and planets who sweep the public streets when they work
on the Sabbath."

4. Minim - Heretics. In the Talmud those who possess books called the Gospels are heretics. Thus in Schabbath (116a) it
says: "Rabbi Meir calls the books of the Minim Aven Gilaion [iniquitous volumes] because they call them Gospels."

5. Edom - Edomites. Rabbi Aben Ezra, when he speaksabout the Emperor Constantine who changed his religion and placed the image of him who was hanged on his banner, adds: "Rome therefore is called the Kingdom of the Edomites."
And Rabbi Bechai, in his Kad Hakkemach (fol. 20a, on Isaiah, ch. LXVI, 17) writes:
"They are called Edomites who move their fingers 'here and there'" (who make the sign of the cross).
Likewise Rabbi Bechai, commenting on the words of Isaiah (loc. cit.), "those who eat the flesh of swine" adds: "These are the
Edomites." Rabbi Kimchi, however, calls them "Christians." And Rabbi Abarbinel, in his work Maschima Ieschua (36 d) says:
"The Nazarenes are Romans, the sons of Edom."

6. Goi - Race, or people. The Jews also call a man a Goi - a gentile; they call a gentile woman a Goiah. Sometimes, but very
rarely, Israelites are called by this name. It is mostly applied to non-Jews, or idolators. In Jewish books which treat of Idolatry,
worshippers of idols are often called by this single word Goi. For this reason, in more recent editions of the Talmud the use of
the word Goi is purposely avoided and other words for non-Jews are substituted.
It is well known that in the Jewish language, the Jews call Christians among whom they live, Goim. Nor do the Jews deny this.
Sometimes in their popular magazines they say that this word means nothing harmful or evil. But the contrary can be seen in
their books written in the Hebrew language. For instance, in Choschen Hammischpat (34, 22), the name Goi is used in a
depraved sense:
"Traitors and Epicureans and Apostates are worse than Goim"

7. Nokhtrim - strangers, foreigners. This name is used for all who are not Jews, and therefor for Christians.

8. Amme Haarets - People of the earth, idiots. There are some who say that people of other races are not meant by this, but
only crude and uneducated people. There are passages, however, which leave no doubt about the matter. In the Holy
Scripture, Book of Esra, ch. X, 2, we read: We have sinned against our God, and have taken strange wives [nokhrioth] of the
people of the earth. That people of the earth denotes idolators is clear from Zohar, I, 25a: "The People of the earth - Obhde
Abhodah Zarah, idolaters.

9. Basar Vedam - Flesh and blood; carnal men who are destined to perdition and who can have no communion with God.
That Christians are flesh and blood, is proved from the prayer book:
"Whoever meets a wise and educated Christian can say: Blessed art thou O Lord, King of the Universe, who dispenseth of thy
wisdom to Flesh and Blood," etc.
Likewise in another prayer, in which they ask God soon to restore the kingdom of David and to send Elias and the Messia,
etc., they aak him to take away their poverty so that they will have no need to accept gifts from "flesh and blood," nor to trade with them, nor to seek wages from them.

10. Apikorosim - Epicureans. All are called by this name who do not observe God's precepts, as well as all those, even Jews
themselves, who express private judgments in matters of faith. How much more, therefore, Christians!

11. Kuthim - Samaritans. But since there are no longer any Samaritans, and since there are many references in recent Jewish
books to Samaritans, who can doubt that this does not mean the Christians?
Furthermore, in this matter of naming those who are not Jews, it is to be particularly noted that Jewish writings apply these
names indiscriminately and promiscuously when they speak of the same thing, and almost in the same words. For instance, in the Tract Abhodah Zarah (25b) the word Goi is employed, but in the Schulkhan Arukh (Iore Dea 153, 2) Akum is used.
Kerithuth (6b) uses Goim; Jebhammoth (61a) uses Akum; Abhodah Zar. (2a) uses Obhde Elilim; Thoseph uses Goim
and Obhde Ab., Choschen Ham (Venetian ed.) uses Kuthi; (Slav. ed.) Akum. And many more instances could be quoted.
Maimonides in his book on Idolatry indiscriminately calls all the following idolators: Goim, Akum, Obhde Kokhabhim, Obhde
Elilim, etc.

Article II. - What the Talmud Teaches About Christians

In the preceding chapter we saw what the Jews think of the Founder of the Christian religion, and how much they despise his
name. This being so, it would not be expected that they would have any better opinion about those who follow Jesus the
Nazarene. In fact, nothing more abominable can be imagined than what they have to say about Christians. They say that they
are idolaters, the worst kind of people, much worse than the Turks, murderers, fornicators, impure animals, like dirt, unworthy
to be called men, beasts in human form, worthy of the name of beasts, cows, asses, pigs, dogs, worse than dogs; that they
propagate after the manner of beasts, that they have diabolic origin, that their souls come from the devil and return to the devil
in hell after death; and that even the body of a dead Christian is nothing different from that of an animal.

1. IDOLATERS
Since Christians follow the teachings of that man, whom the Jews regard as a Seducer and an Idolater, and since they worship
him as God, it clearly follows that they merit the name of idolater, in no way different from those among whom the Jews lived
before the birth of Christ, and whom they taught should be exterminated by every possible means.

This is best demonstrated by the names they give Christians, and by the unmistakable words of Maimonides which prove that
all who bear the name of Christian are idolaters. And anyone who examines Jewish books which speak of the "Worshippers of
the Stars and Planets," "Epicureans," "Samaritans," etc., cannot but conclude that these idolaters are none other than Christians.
The Turks are always called "Ismaelites," never idolaters.

2. CHRISTIANS WORSE THAN THE TURKS
Maimonides in Hilkoth Maakhaloth (ch. IX) says:
"It is not permitted to drink the wine of a stranger who becomes a convert, that is, one who accepts the seven precepts of
Noah, but is permitted to gain some benefit from it. It is allowed to leave wine alone with him, but not to place it before him.
The same is permitted in the case of all gentiles who are not idolaters, such as the Turks [Ismaelites]. A Jew, however, is not
permitted to drink their wine, although he may use it to his own advantage."

3. MURDERERS
In Abhodah Zarah (22a) it says:
"A Jew must not associate himself with gentiles because they are given to the shedding of blood."
Likewise in Iore Dea (153, 2):
"An Israelite must not associate himself with the Akum [Christians] because they are given to the shedding of blood."
In the Abhodah Zarah (25b) it says:
"The Rabbis taught: If a Goi joins an Israelite on the road, he [the Jew] should walk on his right side. Rabbi Ismael, the son of
Rabbi Jochanan the nephew of Beruka, says: if he carries a sword, let the Jew walk on his right side. If the Goi carries a stick,
the Jew should walk on his left side. If he is climbing a hill or descending a steep incline, the Jew must not go in front with the
Goi behind, but the Jew must go behind and the Goi in front, nor must he stoop down in front of him for fear the Goi might
crack his skull. And if he should ask the Jew how far he is going, he should pretend he is going a long way, as Jacob our Father
said to the impious Esau: until I come to my Lord in Seir (Gen. XXXIII, 14-17), but it adds: Jacob set out for Sukoth."

In Orach Chaiim (20, 2) it says:
"Do not sell your overcoat (Talith) with the fringes to an Akum, lest he should join up with a Jew on the road and kill him. It is
also forbidden to exchange or lend your overcoat with a Gentile, except for a short time and when there is nothing to be feared
from him."

4. FORNICATORS
In the Abhodah Zarah (15b) it says:
"Animals of the masculine sex must not be left in the barns of the Gentiles with their men, nor animals of the feminine sex with
their women; much less must animals of the feminine sex be left with their men and of the masculine sex with their women. Nor
must sheep be left to the care of their shepherds; nor must any intercourse be had with them; nor must children be given into
their care to learn to read or to learn a trade."
In the same tract a little farther on (22a) it is explained why animals must not be allowed in the barns of Gentiles, and why Jews
are not permitted to have sexual intercourse with them:
"Animals must not be allowed to go near the Goim, because they are suspected of having intercourse with them. Nor must
women cohabit with them because they are over-sexed."
In fol. 22b of the same book the reason is given why animals especially of the feminine sex must be kept away from their
women: "...because when Gentile men come to their neighbors' houses to commit adultery with their wives and do not find them
at home, they fornicate with the sheep in the barns instead. And sometimes even when their neighbors' wives are at home, they
prefer to fornicate with the animals; for they love the sheep of the Israelites more than their own women."
It is for the same reason that animals are not to be entrusted to Goi shepherds, nor children to their educators.

5. UNCLEAN
The Talmud gives two reasons why the Goim are unclean: because they eat unclean things, and because they themselves have
not been cleansed (from original sin) on Mount Sinai. In Schabbath, (145b) it says:
"Why are the Goim unclean? Because they eat abominable things and animals that crawl on their belly."
Likewise in Abhodah Zarah, 22b:
"Why are the Goim unclean? Because they were not present at Mount Sinai. For when the serpent entered into Eve he infused
her with uncleanness. But the Jews were cleansed from this when they stood on Mount Sinai; the Goim, however, who were
not on Mount Sinaim were not cleansed."

6. COMPARED TO DUNG
"When ten persons are praying together in one place and they say Kaddisch, or Kedoschah, anyone, even though he does not
belong there, may respond Amen. There are some, however, who say that no dung or Akum must be present."
In Iore Dea (198, 48) Hagah, it says:
"When Jewish women come out of a bath they must take care to meet a friend first, and not something unclean or a Chrsitian.
For if so, a woman, if she wants to keep holy, should go back and bathe again."
It is worthy of note that the following list of unclean things is a given in Biur Hetib, a commentary on the Schulchan Arukh:
"A woman must wash herself again if she sees any unclean things, such as a dog, an ass, or People of the Earth; a Christian
(Akum), a camel, a pig, a horse, and a leper.

7. NOT LIKE MEN, BUT BEASTS
In Kerithuth (6b p. 78) it says:
"The teaching of the Rabbis is: He who pours oil over a Goi, and over dead bodies is freed from punishment. This is true for an
animal because it is not a man. But how can it be said that by pouring oil over a Goi one is freed from punishment, since a Goi
is also a man? But this is not true, for it is written: Ye are my flock, the flock of my pasture are men (Ezechiel, XXXIV, 31).
You are thus called men, but the Goim are not called men."
In the Tract Makkoth (7b) he is said to be guilty of killing "except when, if intending to kill an animal he kills a man by mistake,
or intending to kill a Goi, he kills an Israelite."
In Orach Chaiim (225, 10) it says:
"He who sees beautiful creatures, even though it be an Akum or an animal, let him say 'Blessed art thou Our Lord God, King of
the Universe, who has placed such things on the earth!'"

8. THEY DIFFER ONLY IN FORM FROM BEASTS
In Midrasch Talpioth (fol. 225d) it says:
"God created them in the form of men for the glory of Israel. But Akum were created for the sole end of ministering unto them
[the Jews] day and night. Nor can they ever be relieved from this service. It is becoming to the son of a king [an Israelite] that
animals in their natural form, and animals in the form of human beings should minister unto him."
We can quote here also what is said in Orach Chaiim, 57, 6a:
"If pigs are to be pitied when they suffer from disease, because their intestines are similar to ours, how much more should the
Akum be pitied when thus affected."

9. ANIMALS
In Zohar, II, (64b) it says:
"...People who worship idols, and who are called cow and ass, as it is written: I have a cow and an ass..."
Rabbi Bechai, in his book Kad Hakkemach, ch. I, beginning with the word Geulah - redemption - referring to Psalm 80, v.13:
The boar out of the wood doth waste it, says:
"The letter ain is dropped [suspended] the same as these worshippers are followers of him who was suspended."
Buxtorf (Lex.) says:
"By wild pig the author here means the Christians who eat pork and, like pigs, have destroyed the vineyard of Israel, the City of
Jerusalem, and who believe in the 'suspended' Christ. Else the letter ain is dropped in this word because they, as worshippers
of Christ who was hanged, are also dropped."
Rabbi Edels, in commenting on Kethuboth (110b) says:
"The Psalmist compares the Akum to the unclean beast in the woods."

10. WORSE THAN ANIMALS
Rabbi Schelomo Iarchi (Raschi), famous Jewish commentator, explaining the law of Moses (Deuter. XIV, 21) forbidding the
eating of meat of wounded animals, but which must be given to the 'stranger in thy gates,' or which, according to Exodus
(XXII, 30) is to be thrown to the dogs, has this to say:
"...for he is like a dog. Are we to take to word 'dog' here literally? By no means. For the text in speaking of dead bodies says,
Or thou mayest sell it to an alien. This applies much more to the meat of wounded animals, for which it is permitted to
accept payment. Why therefore does the Scripture say it may be thrown to 'dogs?' In order to teach you that a dog is to be
more respected than the Nokhri."

11. THEY PROPAGATE LIKE BEASTS
In the Sanhedrin (74b) Tosephoth, it says:
"The sexual intercourse of a Goi is like that of a beast."
And in Kethuboth (3b) it says:
"The seed of a Goi is worth the same as that of a beast."
Hence it is to be inferred that Christian marriage is not true marriage.
In Kidduschim (68a), it says:
"...How do we know this? Rabbi Huna says: You can read: Remain here with the ass, that is, with a people like an ass. Hence
it appears that they are not capable of contracting marriage."
And in Eben Haezer (44, 8):
"If a Jew enters into marriage with an Akum (Christian), or with his servant, the marriage is null. For they are not capable of
entering into matrimony. Likewise if an Akum or a servant enter into matrimony with a Jew, the marriage is null."
In Zohar (II, 64b) it says:
"Rabbi Abba says: If only idolaters alone had sexual intercourse, the world would not continue to exist. Hence we are taught
that a Jew should not give way to those infamous robbers. For if these propagate in greater numbers, it will be impossible for us
to continue to exist because of them. For they give birth to sucklings the same as dogs."

12. CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL
In Zohar (I, 28b) we read:
"Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field, etc. (Genes. III, 1.) 'More subtle' that is towards evil; 'than all
beasts' that is, the idolatrous people of the earth. For they are the children of the ancient serpent which seduced Eve."
The best argument used by the Jews to prove that Christians are of the race of the devil is the fact that they are uncircumcized.
The foreskin on non-Jews prevents them from being called the children of the Most High God. For by circumcision the name of
God - Schaddai - is complete in the flesh of a circumcized Jew. The form of the letter Isch is in his nostrils, the letter Daleth in
his (bent) arm, and ain appears in his sexual organ by circumcision. In non-circumcized gentiles, therefore, such as Christians,
there are only two letters, Isch and Daleth, which make the word Sched, which means devil. They are, therefore, children of
the Sched, the devil.

13. THE SOULS OF CHRISTIANS ARE EVIL AND UNCLEAN
The teaching of the Jews is that God created two natures, one good and the other evil, or one nature with two sides, one clean
and the other unclean. From the unclean side, called Keliphah - rind, or scabby crust - the souls of Christians are said to have
come. In Zohar (I, 131a) it says:
"idolatrous people, however, since they exist, befoul the world, because their souls come out of the unclean side."
And in Emek Hammelech (23d) it says:
"The souls of the impious come from Keliphah, which is death and the shadows of death."
Zohar (I, 46b, 47a) goes to show that this unclean side is the left side, from which the souls of the Christians come:
"And he created every living thing, that is, the Israelites, because they are the children of the Most High God, and their holy
souls come out from Him. But where do the souls of the idolatrous gentiles come from? Rabbi Eliezer says: from the left side,
which makes their souls unclean. They are therefore all unclean and they pollute all who come in contact with them."

14. AFTER DEATH THEY GO DOWN TO HELL
The Elders teach that Abraham sits at the gate of Gehenna and prevents any circumcized person from entering there; but that all
the uncircumcized go down to hell.
In Rosch Haschanach (17a) it says:
"Heretics and Epicureans and Traitors go down into hell."

15. THE FATE OF DEAD CHRISTIANS
The bodies of Christians after death are called by the odious name of Pegarim, which is the word used in Holy Scripture for the
dead bodies of the damned and of animals, but never for the pious dead who are called Metim. Thus the Schulchan Arukh
orders that a dead Christian must be spoken of in the same way as a dead animal.
In Iore Dear (377, 1) it says:
"Condolences must not be offered to anyone on account of the death of his servants or handmaids. All that may be said is 'May
God restore your lost one, the same as we say to a man who has lost a cow or an ass.'"
Nor must Christians be avoided for seven days after they have buried someone, as the law of Moses commands, since they
are not men; for the burial of an animal does not pollute one.
In Iebhammoth (61a) it says:
"The Nokhrim are not rendered unclean by a burial. For it is said: Ye are my sheep, the sheep of my pasture; ye are men.
You are thus called men, but not the Nokhrim."

Article III. - About Christian Rites and Worship

Since Christians are regarded by the Jews as idolators, all their forms of worship are idolatrous. Their priests are called priests
of Baal; their temples are called houses of lies and idolatry, and everything they contain, such as chalices, statues and books,
are regarded as made for the serving of idols; their prayers, both private and public, are sinful and offensive to God; and their
festivals are called days of evil.

1. PRIESTS
The Talmud speaks of priests, the ministers of Christian worship, as idolatrous and belonging to the god Baal. They are also
called Komarim - Soothsayers; and also Galachim, the shaved, because they shave their heads, particularly the monks.
In Abhodah Zarah (14b) Toseph, it says:
"It is forbidden to sell books of the prophets to the soothsayers, since they may use them for their evil worship in their
idolatrous temples. Those who do so sin against the law which forbids us to place an obstacle in the way of a blind person. It
is also forbidden to sell them to a Christian who is not shaved, for he is sure to give or sell them to one of them who is shaved."

2. CHRISTIAN CHURCHES
A place of Christian worship is called (1) Beth Tilfah, a house of vanity and foolishness, in place of Beth Tefilah, a house of
prayer; (2) Beth Abhodha Zarah, a House of Idolatry; (3) Beth Hatturapi Schel Letsim, a house of Evil Laughter.
In Abhodah Zarah (78) the Perusch of Maimonides, it says:
"Be it known to you that it is beyond a doubt forbidden by law to pass through a Christian city in which there is a house of
vanity, that is, a house of idolatry; much more to live therein. But we today, as punishment for our sins, are subject to them, and
are forced to live in their countries, as it was foretold in Deuteronomy (IV, 28): And there ye shall serve gods, the work of
men's hands, of wood and stone...Thus if it is allowed as predicted to pass around a Christian city, much more so must we
pass around an idolatrous temple; nor is it allowed us even to look inside and above all to enter in."
A Jew is forbidden not only to enter a Christian church, but even to go near it, except under certain circumstances.
In Iore Dea (142, 10) it says:
"It is forbidden to stand in the shadow of a house of idolatry, whether from the inside or the outside, for a distance of four
cubits from the front door. It is not forbidden, however, to stand under the shadows of the back of a church. Nor is the
shadow forbidden us if the church stands in a place where formerly there was public road, which was taken from the
community and the house of idolatry built upon it. For the road is still there. But if the house of idolatry existed before the road,
it is not permitted to pass before it. There are some who say that it is forbidden to pass there in any case."
Neither is a Jew allowed to listen to, or admire the beautiful music of the churches. In Iore Dea (142, 15) it says:
"It is forbidden to listen to the music if idolatrous worship, and to examine the statues of their idols; for even by looking at them
one can be influenced by the evil of idolatry. But one can look who does not intend to be so affected."
Likewise a Jew is not allowed to have a house near a church; nor is he allowed to rebuild a house which has been destroyed in
such a place. In Iore Dea (143, 1) it says:
"If a house near an idolatrous temple belonging to the Akum falls down, it must not be rebuilt. A Jew must remove it a certain
distance away if he wishes to rebuild it. But he must fill up the vacant space between his house and the church with bushes and
rubbish so that the space will not be used to extend the idolatrous temple."
Here may be added what a certain Rabbi Kelomimus said about a Christian church (in the book Nizzachon) to the Emperor
Henry III, who gave him permission to speak his opinion freely about the Basilica which he had recently built at Spires:
"After the Emperor Henry III, a very wicked man, had completed the building of that "Abyss," he sent for Rabbi Kelominus and said to him: "I want to ask you, how does this Basilica which I have built compare with the magnificence of Solomon's
Temple, about which so many volumes have been written?" He replied: 'My Lord, if you will permit me that you will let me go
unharmed, I will tell you the truth about it.' The Emperor answered: 'I give you my word as a lover of the truth and as an
Emperor, that no harm shall come to you.' Then the Jew said: 'If you gathered together all you have spent so far, and added to
it all the silver and gold in your treasury, it would not suffice even to pay the workmen and craftsmen that Solomon employed; for it is written (Chron. II, ch 2): And Solomon told out threescore and ten thousand men to bear burdens, and fourscore
thousand to hew in the mountains, and three thousand and six hundred to oversee them. Eight years were spent in the
building of the Temple, much more than you spent in building this Tehon [Abyss]. And when Solomon had finished his Temple,
see what the Scripture says about it: The priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud; for the glory of God
had filled the House of the Lord (Chron. II, Ch. 5, 14). But if someone loaded an ass with putrid garbage and led it into this
abyss of yours, no one would notice the difference!' The Emperor Henry then replied: 'Were it not that I have sworn to let you
go unharmed, I would order your head cut off.'"

3. CHALICES
Chalises used in the Sacrifice of the mass are spoken of as vessels in which filth is offered up to the idol. Moses Kozzensis, in
Hilkoth Abhodah Zarah (10b) says:
"A Jew who buys Chalises of the Goi, which are broken and thrown away, it is not permitted to sell them again to them,
because their priest of Baal will use them in the worship of the idol."

4. BOOKS
The Talmud calls the books of the Christians Minim - heretical books - Siphre Debeth Abidan - Books of the House of
Perdition. The Talmud in particular speaks of the books of the Gospels. Thus in Schabbath (116a) Toseph:
"Rabbi Meir calls heretical books Aaven Gilaion (volumes of iniquity) because the call them Gospels."
And Rabbi Jochanan calls these books Aavon Gilaion, evil books. The Schulchan Arukh, Crakow edition, gives this name
as Aven Niktabh al Haggilaion - iniquity written in a book.
Buxtorf says: "In the Arukh there is a note Scheker Niktabh al Gilaion, which means, a lie written in a book."
All the Talmudists agree that the books of the Christians should be destroyed. They differ only as to what should be done with
the names of God contained in them. In Schabbath (116a) it says:
"The Glossaries of our own books and the books of the heretics are not to be saved from the flames, if they should catch fire
on the Sabbath day. Rabbi Jose, however, says: 'On festival days the divine names should be torn out of the books of the Christians and hidden away; what remains must be given to the flames.' But Rabbi Tarphon says: 'In order that I may be
remembered by my children, if those books should ever fall into my hands I would burn them together with the divine names
contained therein. For if one is chased by an assassin, or by a serpent, it would be better to take refuge in a pagan temple than
in one of theirs; because the Christians knowingly resist the truth, whereas the pagans do so unknowingly."

5. PRAYERS
Christian prayers are called, not Tefillah, but Tiflah. They change the point and insert Iod, which makes it read to mean sin,
foolishness and transgression.

6. CHRISTIAN FESTIVALS
Christian festivals, especially Sunday, are called Ion Ed - day of destruction, perdition, misfortune or calamity. They are also
simply called Iom Notsri - Christian Days. The word Ed rightly interpreted means misfortune or calamity, as appears from the
Gemarah and the Glossaries of Maimonides in Abhodah Zarah (2a):
"The word Edehem means the festivals of the Christians, since it is written (in Deuter. XXXII, 35): the day of their calamity."
Maimonides also says in Abhodah Zarah (78c):
"The words Edehem means the foolishness of their festivlas. It is the name for their despicable feast days which do not merit
the name of Moedim, for they are really vain and evil."
Baretenora also writes:
"The word Edehem is the name for their ignominious festivals and solemnities."
The marginal notes of Tosephtoth also give this name to Christian festivals. Thus in Abhodah Zarah (6a):
"The Day of Evil, that is the Christian Day, is forbidden to us as well as all their other feast days."
Some Christian festivals are mentioned by name, such as the feast of Christmas and Easter. Moses Mikkozzi, referring to the
above text of Abhodah Zarah , says:
"Rabbi Sammuel declares, in the name of Solomon Iarchi, that in particular the festivals of Christmas and Easter, which are their
principal evil days and the foundation of their religion, are forbidden to us."
Maimonides, in hilkoth Akum (ch. IX) has the same:
"Sammuel repeats the words of Rabbi Sal. Iarchi which forbid us particularly to celebrate the feasts of Christmas and Easter,
which are celebrated on account of him who was hanged."
Furthermore, indications of the impiety of the Jews are to be found in the names which they give to these Christian festivals: For in place of using Tau in the word Nithal, they often write Tet and call it Nital for the Latin word Natalis, the Feast of the
Nativity. They make it appear as if this word were from the root Natal which connotes extermination or destruction. Likewise
they refuse to use the word Paschal (Pesach) for the Christian feast of Easter. The substitute Koph for Phe and insert the letter
iod and call it Ketsach or Kesach. Both pronunciations have an evil meaning. Ketsach is from the root Katsah, meaning to
amputate or cut off from, and Kesach is from the root Kesa, meaning to wood or a gallows. This is done because the feast of
Easter is celebrated by Christians in memory of Christ - the one who was hanged - who was put to death and who rose again
from the dead.


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Heres some more about your "perfect" religion, as youve quoted.

quote:

PART TWO
PRECEPTS OF THE TALMUD

CONCERNING CHRISTIANS

From what has been shown thus far, it is clear that, according to the teaching of the Talmud,
Christians are idolaters and hateful to Jews.
As a consequence, every Jew who wishes to please God has a duty to observe all the precepts
which were given to the Fathers of their race when they lived in the Holy Land concerning the idolatrous
gentiles, both those who lived amongst them and those in nearby countries.
A Jew is therefore required to
(1) To avoid Christians;
(2) To do all he can to exterminate them.


***


CHAPTER I
CHRISTIANS MUST BE AVOIDED

Jews are required to avoid all contact with Christians for four reasons: (1) Because they are not worthy to share in the
Jewish way of life; (2) Because they are unclean; (3) Because they are idolators; (4) Because they are murderers.



Article I. - Christians Must Be Avoided - Because They Are Unworthy to Share Jewish Customs

A Jew, by the fact that he belongs to the chosen people and is circumcized, possesses so great a dignity that no one, not
even an angel, can share equality with him. In fact, he is considered almost the equal of God. "He who strikes an Israelite"
says Rabbi Chanina "acts as if he slaps the face of God's Divine Majesty."
A Jew is always considered good, in spite of certain sins which he may commit; nor can his sins contaminate him, any more
than dirt contaminates the kernel in a nut, but only soils its shell. A Jew alone is looked upon as a man; the whole world is
his and all things should serve him, especially "animals which have the form of men."
Thus it is plain that they regard all contact with Christians as contaminating and as detracting from their dignity. They are
therefore required to keep as far away as possible from all who live and act as Christians do.

1. A JEW MUST NOT SALUTE A CHRISTIAN
In Gittin (62a) it says:
"A Jew must not enter the home of a Nokhri on a feast day to offer him greetings. However, if he meets him on the street,
he may offer him a greeting, but curtly and with head bowed."

2. A JEW MUST NOT RETURN THE GREETINGS OF A CHRISTIAN
In Iore Dea (148, 10) it says:
"A Jew must not return the greeting of a Christian by bowing before him. It is good, therefore, to salute him first and so
avoid having to answer him back if the Akum salutes him first."
Rabbi Kohana says that when a Jew salutes a Christian he should say "Peace to my Lord," but intend this for his own
Rabbi. For the Tosephtoth says: "For his heart was turned towards his own Rabbi."

3. A JEW MUST NOT GO BEFORE A CHRISTIAN JUDGE
In Choschen Hammischpat (26,1) it says:
"A Jew is not permitted to bring his case before Akum judges, even if the matter is judged by the decisions of Jewish law,
and even if both parties agree to abide by such decisions. He who does so is impious and similar to one who calumniates
and blasphemes, and who raises his hand against the Law given us by Moses, our great law-giver. Hagah says 'The
Bethin has the power to excommunicate such a one until he releases his Jewish brother from the hands of the Gentile.'"

4. A CHRISTIAN CANNOT BE USED AS A WITNESS
In Choschen Ham. (34, 19) it says:
"A Goi or a servant is not capable of acting as a witness."

5. A JEW CANNOT EAT CHRISTIAN FOOD
In Iore Dea (112, 1) it says:
"The Elders forbade the eating of the bread of the Akum, lest we would seem to be familiar with them."
And in Abhodah arah (35b) it says:
"The following things belonging to the Goim are forbidden: Milk which a Goi takes from a cow, in the absence of a Jew;
also their bread, etc."

6. A JEW MUST NEVER ACT IN ANY WAY LIKE A CHRISTIAN
In Iore Dea (178, 1) it says:
"It is not permitted to imitate the customs of the Akum, nor to act like them. Nor is it permitted to wear clothes like the
Akum, not to comb the hair as they do...neither must Jews build houses that look like temples of the Akum."
Since, however, it is not possible to observe all these rules in every place, the Hagah says that they can be overlooked to
a certain extent when, for instance, it is to the advantage of the Jew to do so; for example, if a Jew would profit by a trade
which requires a certain kind of dress.


Article II. - Christians Are to Be Avoided - Because They Are Unclean

It is not known how often Jews must wash and purify themselves, nor how much they must study to avoid everything
which might render them unclean. The Talmud teaches, however, that Christians are people whose touch alone makes
things unclean. In Abhodah Zarah (72b) it says:
"A certain man was pouring wine from one jar into another by means of a tube, when a Goi came along and touched
the tube with his hand. As a result all the wine (in both jars) had to be thrown away."
Every vessel, therefore, must be washed which comes into the possession of a Jew from a Christian, although it has never
been in use. In Iore Dea (120, 1) it says:
"If a Jew buys a vessel for use at table from an Akum, whether it is made of metal, glass or lead, even if it is new, he must
wash it in a Mikvah [a large basin], or in a cistern which holds forty quarts of water.

Article III. - Christians Are to Be Avoided - Because They Are Idolaters

1. Lest a Jew be the occasion of sin to the idolatrous Christians, according to the precept in Levit. XIX, 14: "Do not put a
stumbling-block before the blind - he must avoid all contact with them on the days when they worship their gods. In
Abhodah Zarah
(2a) it says:
"For three days before their idolatrous festivals it is not permitted to buy or sell them anything. It is also forbidden to give
or take any help from them, to change any money with them, to pay them back any debts or allow them to pay back debts."
In the Abhodah Zarah, 78c (the Perusch of Maimonides, fol.
8) it says:
"All the festivals of the followers of Jesus are forbidden, and we must conduct ourselves towards them as we would towards
idolators. The first day of the week is their principal feast, and it is therefore forbidden to do any business whatsoever with
those who believe in Jesus on their Sabbath. We must observe the same rules on their Sabbath as we do on the feastdays
of idolators, as the Talmud teaches."

2. A JEW MUST NOT USE ANYTHING WHICH PERTAINS TO THE WORSHIP OF CHRISTIANS
In Iore Dea (139, 1) it says:
"It is forbidden to have anything to do with idols and everything that is used in their form of worship, whether they are made
by the Akum or by Jews."





***

3. IT IS FORBIDDEN TO SELL TO CHRISTIANS ANYTHING CONNECTED WITH THEIR IDOLATROUS
WORSHIP


The Abhodah Zarah (14b, Toseph) says:
"It is always forbidden to sell incense to an idolatrous priest, for it is evident that when he asks for it he wants it for no other
purpose but to offer it before his idol. Anyone, therefore, who would sell it to him sins against the precept which forbids
us to place a stumbling-block before the blind. It is also forbidden to sell candles to gentiles for their Feat of Candles.
Candles however may be sold to them on other days. Neither is it permitted to sell a chalice to a gentile which a Jew has
bought after a Goi has broken it and thrown it away. It may only be sold again to a gentile after it has been completely made
over. For after it has been broken just once it can be used still to hold the wine which is offered in honor of their idol." Then
follows the prohibition as to the selling of books to Christian priests, as we have seen above. Even the work of binding such
books is forbidden to a Jew. In Iore Dea (139, 15) it says:
"It is forbidden to bind the books of the Akum, with the exception of law books. It may be done, however, if refusal to do
so should cause enmity, but only after every effort has been made to refuse such work."
Likewise in Iore Dea (151, 1, Hagah):
"It is not permitted to sell water to an Akum if it is known that it will be made into Baptismal water."
Mention is also made of many other things which it is forbidden to sell to Christians, such as: cloth from which priestly
vestments and banners may be made; paper and ink which may be used for writing books pertaining to their divine worship.
It is forbidden to sell, or even to rent, houses to Christians which will be used by them as a place of worship. Nowadays,
however, Jews trade with Christians, especially on Christian feast days, and also sell them houses knowing full well that
certain Sacraments will be administered therein, such as Baptism, Holy Communion and Extreme Unction. The Talmud can
give no reason for this, and in the Abhodah Zarah (2a, Toseph) it says:
"It is difficult to say by what right Jews nowadays trade with the Goim on their (evil) feast days. For although many of them
commit all kinds of licentious acts and perversions on their feast days in honor of saints which they do not look upon as
gods, yet every week they celebrate the Day of the Nazarene [Sunday] which has always been forbidden to us."
Bartenora, however, in his commentary on Abhodah Zarah (I, 2, fol. 7b) it says:
"Since, while we are in captivity, we cannot live without trading with them, and we depend upon them for our food and we
must fear them, it is only forbidden to trade with them on their feast days. Furthermore, it is permitted nowadays to trade
with them on the actual day of their feasts, because the Rabbis are convinced that they do not worship their idols just
because they trade with us. And what is forbidden in this book must be taken as applying directly to idolatry."
Rabbi Tam, however, contends that the Mischnah only forbids the selling of things to idolaters which will be used by them
in the worship of idols, since they rejoice and worship their idols because they obtain the things necessary for that worship.
He explains it thus (in Abhodah Zarah, 2a, Toseph):
"No one should wonder at this custom of ours. For, although we look upon them as idolaters, they can only offer up what
they buy for money. Hence, our gain and their joy is not the reason for this prohibition, for they have enough money for
these things, even if we did not trade with them."


4. THIS PROHIBITION DOES NOT APPLY TO ATHEISTS
In Iore Dea (148, 5) it says:
"It is only permitted to send a gift to an Akum on one of their feast days if it is known that he does not believe in idols and
does not worship them."
Maimonides has the same in Hilkhoth Akum (IX, 2):
"It is also wrong to send a gift to a Goi on their feast days unless it is certain that he does not believe in the worship of
Christian idols, and does not serve them."


Article IV. - Christians Are to Be Avoided - Because They Are Evil

There is nothing that Jews are more convinced of than the harm which Christians can do to the children of Israel.
Because of this, the rulers of the Chosen People have always instructed them not to accept any help from Christians who
will always resort to murder, and to other crimes, whenever they cannot otherwise obtain their evil ends. Thus a Jew
must not employ a Christian as a nurse, or as a teacher for his children, or as a doctor, a barber or an obstetrician.



1. NOT AS A NURSE

In Iore Dea (81, 7, Hagah) it says:
"A child must not be nursed by a Nokhri, if an Israelite can be had; for the milk of the Nokhrith hardens the heart of a child
and builds up an evil nature in him."



2. NOT AS A TEACHER
In Iore Dea (153, 1, Hagah) it says:
"A child must not be given to the Akum to learn manners, literature or the arts, for they will lead him to heresy."



3. NOT AS A DOCTOR
In Iore Dea (155, 1) it says:
"When a Jew is wounded in any way, even so gravely that he would have to violate the Sabbath in having a doctor, he
must not employ the services of a Christian (Akum) doctor who is not known to everyone in the neighborhood; for we
must guard against the spilling of blood. Even when it is not known if the patient will live or die, such a doctor must not
be allowed to attend him. If, however, he is sure to die, then such a doctor may attend him, since an extra hour of life is
not much to lose. If the Akum insists that a certain medicine is good, you may believe him, but be sure not to buy it from
him. There are some who say that this holds only when the Akum offer help free, and that it can be accepted every time
it is paid for. But it can be taken for granted that they would not harm a Jew just for the sake of a matter of money."
In Pesachim (25a) it says:
"Rabbi Jochanan says: medical help can be accepted from all except idolaters, fornicators and murderers."



4. NOT AS A BARBER
In Iore Dea (156,1 ) it says:
"You must not be shaven by an Akum unless your Jewish friends are with you. There are some who say that it is not
permitted to be shaved by an Akum even when others are present, unless you can see yourself in a mirror."



5. NOT AS AN OBSTETRICIAN
In Abhodah Zarah (26a) it says:
"Our Rabbis have passed it down for us, that a foreign woman must never be allowed to act as midwife at the birth of
a child of Israel, because they are given to the shedding of blood. The Elders say, however, that a foreign woman may
perfrom this task provided there are other Jewish women present, but never alone. Rabbi Meir, however, says that it is not
allowed even others are present. For they often crush the soft head of the child with their hands and kill it; and they can
do this without being noticed by those who are present."





CHAPTER II
CHRISTIANS MUST BE EXTERMINATED

The followers of "that man," whose name is taken by the Jews to mean "May his name and memory be blotted out," are
not otherwise to be regarded than as people whom it would be good to get rid of. They are called Romans and tyrants
who hold captive the children of Israel, and by their destruction the Jews would be freed from this Fourth Captivity.
Every Jew is therefore bound to do all he can to destroy that impious kingdom of the Edomites (Rome) which rules the
whole world. Since, however, it is not always and everywhere possible to effect this extermination of Christians, the Talmud
orders that they should be attacked at least indirectly, namely: by injuring them in every possible way, and by thus lessening
their power, help towards their ultimate destruction. Wherever it is possible a Jew should kill Christians, and do so without
mercy.



Article I. - HARM MUST BE DONE TO CHRISTIANS

A Jew is commanded to harm Christians wherever he can, both indirectly by not helping them in any way, and also directly
by wrecking their plans and projects; neither must he save a Christian who is in danger of death.



I. GOOD MUST NOT BE DONE TO CHRISTIANS
In Zohar (1, 25b) it says:
"Those who do good to the Akum...will not rise from the dead."
At times it is permitted to do good to Christians, but only in order to help Israel, namely, for the sake of peace and to hide
hatred of them. Maimonides in Hilkhoth Akum (X, 6) says:
"Needy Gentiles may be helped as well as needy Jews, for the sake of peace..."
In Iore Dea (148, 12 Hagah) it says:
"Therefore if you enter a town and find them celebrating a feast, you may pretend to rejoice with them in order to hide
your hatred. Those, however, who care about the salvation of their souls should keep away from such celebrations.
You should make it known that it is a hateful thing to rejoice with them, if you can do so without incurring enmity."



1. IT IS NOT PERMITTED TO PRAISE A CHRISTIAN
In Abhodah Zarah (20, a, Toseph) it says:
"Do not say anything in praise of them, lest it be said: How good that Goi is!"
In this way they explain the words of Deuteronomy (VII, 2)... and thou shalt show no mercy unto them [Goim], as
cited in the Gemarah. Rabbi S. Iarchi explains this Bible passage as follows:
"Do not pay them any compliments; for it is forbidden to say: how good that Goi is."
In Iore Dea (151, 14) it says:
"No one is allowed to praise them or to say how good an Akum is. How much less to praise what they do or to recount
anything about them which would redound to their glory. If, however, while praising them you intend to give glory to God,
namely, because he has created comely creatures, then it is allowed to do so."

2. A JEW NOT ALLOWED TO MENTION THE THINGS WHICH CHRISTIANS USE FOR THEIR
IDOLATROUS WORSHIP
In Hilkhoth Akum (V, 12) it says:
"It is also forbidden to make mention of the Akum; for it is written (Exodus XXIII, 13):...and make no mention of other
gods."



3. THEIR IDOLS MUST BE SPOKEN OF WITH CONTEMPT
In Iore Dea (146, 15) it says:
"Their idols must be destroyed, or called by contemptuous names."
Ibidem, (147, 5):
"It is permitted to deride idols, and it is forbidden to say to a Goi: May your God help you, or I hope you will succeed."
Rabbi Bechai, explaining the text of Deuteronomy about hating idolatry, says:
"The Scripture teached us to hate idols and to call them by ignominious names. Thus, if the name of a church is
Bethgalia - "house of magnificence," it should be called Bethkaria - an insignificant house, a pigs' house, a latrine. For
this word, karia, denotes a low-down, slum place."
In numerous places ignominious names are given by the Jews to Christian things. It will not be out of place to list a few of
these names which they give to things and persons which are held holy and dear by Christians, as follows:
JESUS is ignominiously called Jeschu - which means, May his name and memory be blotted out. His proper name in
Hebrew is Jeschua, which means Salvation.
MARY, THE MOTHER OF JESUS, is called Charia - dung, excrement (German Dreck). In Hebrew her proper name
is Miriam.
CHRISTIAN SAINTS, the word for which in Hebrew Kedoschim, are called Kededchim (cinaedos) - feminine men
(Farries). Women saints are called Kedeschoth, whores.
SUNDAY is called the day of calamity.
FEAST OF CHRISTMAS is called Nital, denoting extermination.
EASTER is not called by the proper name Pesach (Passover), but Ketsach, meaning a cutting down; or Kesach, a Gallows.
A CHRISTIAN CHURCH is not called Beth Hattefillah, House of Prayer, but Beth Hattiflah, a House of Vanity, a
House of Evil.
THE GOSPEL BOOKS are called Aavon Gilaion, Books of Iniquity.
CHRISTIAN SACRIFICES are called Dung Offerings. In the Jerusalem Talmud (fol. 13b) the following occurs:
"He who sees them mezabbelim (excrementing - sacrificing) before their idol, let him say (Exod. XXII, 20):
He that sacrificeth unto an idol shall be utterly destroyed."
Rabbi Iarchi (referring to Num. XXV, 3) teaches that the Gentiles actually honor their God by excrementing before him.
A CHRISTIAN GIRL who works for Jews on their sabbath is called a Schaw-wesschicksel, Sabbath Dirt.



4. A JEW IS NOT ALLOWED TO GIVE GIFTS TO CHRISTIANS
In Hilkohoth Akum (X, 5) it says:
"It is forbidden to give gifts to the Goim. But it is permitted to give them to a convert who lives among the Jews; for it is said:
To the traveller who stops in your cities, give it to him to eat, or sell it to a Gentile, that is sell it, not give it."
In Iore Dea (151, 11) it says:
"It is forbidden to give free gifts to the Akum with whom a Jew may not treat familiarly."
The Talmud, however, allows a Jew to give gifts to Gentiles who are known to himand from whom he has hope of
getting something in return.



5. A JEW IS FORBIDDEN TO SELL HIS FARM TO CHRISTIANS
In Iore Dea (334, 43) it says:
"In 24 cases a Jew must be repudiated, namely ...8. Anyone who sells his farm to the Akum must be sent into exile -
unless he undertakes to make up for all the harm that follows as a consequence of having the Akum live near the Jews."



6. IT IS FORBIDDEN TO TEACH A TRADE TO CHRISTIANS
In Iore Dea (154, 2) it says:
"It is not permitted to teach any trade to the Akum."

II. HARM MUST BE DON TO THE WORK OF CHRISTIANS
Since the Goim minister to Jews like beasts of burden, they belong to a Jew together with his life and all his faculties:
"The life of a Goi and all his physical powers belong to a Jew." (A. Rohl. Die Polem. p.20)
It is an axiom of the Rabbis that a Jew may take anything that belongs to Christians for any reason whatsoever, even by
fraud; nor can such be called robbery since it is merely taking what belongs to him.

In Babha Bathra (54 b) it says:
"All things pertaining to the Goim are like a desert; the first person to come along and take them can claim them for his own."



1. CHRISTIANS MUST NOT BE TOLD IF THEY PAY TOO MUCH TO A JEW
In Choschen Hamm. (183, 7) it says:
"If you send a messenger to collect money from an Akum and the Akum pays too much, the messenger may keep the
difference. But if the messenger does not know about it, then you may keep it all yourself."

2. LOST PROPERTY OF CHRISTIANS MUST NOT BE RETURNED TO THEM
In Choschen Hamm. (266, 1) it says:
"A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum, for it is written: Return to thy brethren what is lost
(Deuter. XXII, 3). For he who returns lost property [to Christians] sins against the Law by increasing the power of the
transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely,
if by so doing Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."

3. CHRISTIANS MAY BE DEFRAUDED
In Babha Kama (113b) it says:
"It is permitted to deceive a Goi."
And in Choschen Hamm. (156, 5 Hagah) it says:
"If a Jew is doing good business with an Akum it is not allowed to other Jews, in certain places, to come and do business
with the same Akum. In other places, however, it is different, where another Jews is allowed to go to the same Akum, lead
him on, do business with him and to deceive him and take his money. For the wealth of the Akum is to be regarded as
common property and belongs to the first who can get it. There are some, however, who say that this should not be done."
In Choschen Hamm. (183, 7 Hagah) it says:
"If a Jew is doing business with an Akum and a fellow Israelite comes along and defrauds the Akum, either by false
measure, weight or number, he must divide his profit with his fellow Israelite, since both had a part in the deal, and also in
order to help him along."

4. A JEW MAY PRETEND HE IS A CHRISTIAN TO DECEIVE CHRISTIANS
In Iore Dea (157, 2 Hagah) it says:
"If a Jew is able to deceive them [idolaters] by pretending he is a worshipper of the stars, he may do so."

5. A JEW IS ALLOWED TO PRACTICE USURY ON CHRISTIANS
In Abhodah Zarah (54a) it says:;
"It is allowed to take usury from Apostates who fall into idolatry."
And in Iore Dea (159, 1) it says:
"It is permitted, according to the Torah, to lend money to an Akum with usury. Some of the Elders, however, deny this
except in a case of life and death. Nowadays it is permitted for any reason."



III. CHRISTIANS TO BE HARMED IN LEGAL MATTERS



1. A JEW MAY LIE AND PERJURE HIMSELF TO CONDEMN A CHRISTIAN
In Babha Kama (113a) it says:
"Our teaching is as follows: When a Jew and a Goi come into court, absolve the Jew, if you can, according to the laws of
Israel. If the Goi wins, tell him that is what our laws require. If however, the Jew can be absolved according to the gentile
law, absolve him and say it is due to our laws. If this cannot be done proceed callously against the Goim, as Rabbi
Ischmael advises. Rabbi Akibha, however, holds that you cannot act fraudulently lest you profane the Name of God,
and have a Jew commited for perjury."
A marginal note, however, explains this qualification of Rabbi Akibha as follows:
"The name of God is not profaned when it is not known by the Goi that the Jew has lied."
And further on, the Babha Kama (113b) says:
"The name of God is not profaned when, for example, a Jew lies to a Goi by saying: 'I gave something to your father, but
he is dead; you must return it to me,' as long as the Goi does not know that you are lying."

2. A JEW MAY PERJURE HIMSELF WITH A CLEAR CONSCIENCE
In Kallah (1b, p.18) it says:
"She (the mother of the mamzer) said to him, 'Swaer to me.' And Rabbi Akibha swore with his lips, but in his heart he
invalidated his oath."
A similar text is found in Schabbuoth Hagahoth of Rabbi Ascher (6d):
"If the magistrate of a city compels Jews to swear that they will not escape from the city nor take anything out of it, they
may swear falsely by saying to themselves that they will not escape today, nor take anything out of the city today only."





IV. CHRISTIANS MUST BE HARMED IN THINGS NECESSARY FOR LIFE

Jews must spare no means in fighting the tyrants who hold them in this Fourth Captivity in order to set themselves free.
They must fight Christians with astuteness and do nothing to prevent evil from happening to them: their sick must not be
cared for, Christian women in childbirth must not be helped, nor must they be saved when in danger of death.

1. A JEW MUST ALWAYS TRY TO DECEIVE CHRISTIANS
In Zohar (I, 160a) it says:
"Rabbi Jehuda said to him [Rabbi Cezkia]: 'He is to be praised who is able to free himself from the enemies of Israel, and
the just are much to be praised who get free from them and fight against them. 'Rabbi Chezkia asked, 'How must we fight
against them?' Rabbi Jehuda said, 'By wise counsel thou shalt war against them' (Proverbs, ch. 24, 6). By what kind of
war? The kind of war that every son of man must fight against his enemies, which Jacob used against Esau - by deceit
and trickery whenever possible. They must be fought against without ceasing, until proper order be restored. Thus it is with
satisfaction that I say we should free ourselves from them and rule over them."

2. A SICK CHRISTIAN MUST NOT BE AIDED
In Iore Dea (158, 1) it says:
"The Akum are not to be cured, even for money, unless it would incur their enmity."

3. A CHRISTIAN WOMAN IN CHILDBIRTH MUST NOT BE HELPED
In Orach Chaiim (330, 2) it says:
"No help is to be given to an Akun woman in labor on the sabbath, even in a small way, for the Sabbath must not be
violated."

4. A CHRISTIAN IN DANGER OF DEATH MUST NOT BE HELPED
In Choschen Hamm. (425, 5) it says:
"If you see a heretic, who does not believe in the Torah, fall into a well in which there is a ladder, hurry at once and take it
away and say to him 'I have to go and take my son down from a roof; I will bring the ladder back to you at once' or
something else. The Kuthaei, however, who are not our enemies, who take care of the sheep of the Israelites, are not to be
killed directly, but they must not be saved from death."
And in Iore Dea (158, 1) it says:
"The Akum who are not enemies of ours must not be killed directly, nevertheless they must not be saved from danger of
death. For example, if you see one of them fall into the sea, do not pull him out unless he promises to give you money."
Maimonides, in Hilkhoth Akum (X, 1) says:
"Do not have pity for them, for it is said (Deuter. VII, 2): Show no mercy unto them. Therefore, if you see an Akum in
difficulty or drowning, do not go to his help. And if he is in danger of death, do not save him from death. But it is not
right to kill him by your own hand by shoving them into a well or in some other way, since they are not at war with us."




Article II. - CHRISTIANS ARE TO BE KILLED
Lastly, the Talmud commands that Christians are to be killed without mercy. In the Abhodah Zarah (26b) it says:
"Heretics, traitors and apostates are to be thrown into a well and not rescued."
And in Choschen Hammischpat (388, 10) it says:
"A spy is to be killed, even in our days, wherever he is found. He may be killed even before he confesses. And even if
he admits that he only intended to do harm to somebody, and if the harm which he intended is not very great, it is
sufficient to have him condemned to death. He must be warned, however, not to confess to this. But if he impudently says
'No, I will confess it!' then he must be killed, and the sooner the better. If there is no time to warn him, it is not necessary
to do so. There are some who say that a traitor is to be put to death only when it is impossible to get rid of him by
mutilating him, that is, by cutting out his tongue or his eyes, but if this can be done he must not be killed, since he is not
any worse than others who persecute us."
And in Choschen Hamm. again (388, 15) it says:
"If it can be proved that someone has betrayed Israel three times, or has given the money of Israelites to the Akum, a way
must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."

Even a Christian who is found studying the Law of Israel merits death. In Sanhedrin (59a) it says:
"Rabbi Jochanan says: A Goi who pries into the Law is guilty to death."




II. BAPTIZED JEWS ARE TO BE PUT TO DEATH

In Hilkhoth Akum (X, 2) it says:
"These things [supra] are intended for idolaters. But Israelites also, who lapse from their religion and become epicureans,
are to be killed, and we must persecute them to the end. For they afflict Israel and turn the people from God."

And in Iore Dea (158, 2 Hagah) it says:
"Renegades who turn to the pleasures of the Akum, and who become contaminated with them by worshipping stars and
planets and sin maliciously; also those who eat the flesh of wounded animals, or who dress in vain clothes, deserve the name
of epicureans; likewise those who deny the Torah and the Prophets of Israel - the law is that all those should be killed;
and those who have the power of life and death should have them killed; and if this cannot be done, they should be led to
their death by deceptive methods."

Rabbi Maimonides, in Hilkhoth Teschubhah (III, 8) gives the list of those who are considered as denying the Law:
"There are three classes of people who deny the Law of the Torah: (1) Those who say that the Torah was not given by God,
at least one verse or one word of it, and who say that it was all the work of Moses; (2) Those who reject the explanation
of the Torah, namely, the Oral Law of the Mischnah, and do not recognize the authority of the Doctors of the Law, like the
followers of Tsadok (Sadducees) and Baithos; (3) Those who say that God changed the Law for another New Law, and
that the Torah no longer has any value, although they do not deny that it was given by God, as the Christians and the Turks
believe. All of these deny the Law of the Torah."



III. CHRISTIANS ARE TO BE KILLED BECAUSE THEY ARE TYRANTS

In Zohar (I, 25a) it says:
"The People of the Earth are idolaters, and it has been written about them: Let them be wiped off the face of the earth.
Destroy the memory of the Amalekites. They are with us still in this Fourth Captivity, namely, the Princes [of Rome]...
who are really Amalakites."

1. THESE PRINCES ARE TO BE KILLED FIRST
For if they are allowed to live, the hope of the liberation of the Jews is in vain, and their prayers for release from this Fourth
Captivity are of no avail. In Zohar (I, 219B) it says:
"It is certain that our captivity will last until the princes of the gentiles who worship idols are destroyed."
And again in Zohar (II, 19a) it says:
"Rabbi Jehuda said: Come and see how it is; how the princes have assumed power over Israel and the Israelites make no
outcry. But their rejoicing is heard when the prince falls. It is written that: the King of the Egyptians died and soon the
children of Israel were released from captivity; they cried out and their voice ascended to God."

2. THE PRINCEDOM WHOSE CHIEF CITY IS ROME IS THE ONE TO BE HATED MOST
OF ALL BY THE JEWS
They call it the Kingdom of Esau, and of the Edomites, the Kingdom of Pride, the Wicked Kingdom, Impious Rome. The
Turkish Empire is called the Kingdom of the Ismaelites which they do not wish to destroy. The Kingdom of Rome,
however, must be exterminated, because when corrupt Rome is destroyed, salvation and freedom will come to God's
Chosen People.
Rabbi David Kimchi writes as follows in Obadian:
"What the Prophets foretold about the destruction of Edom in the last days was intended for Rome, as Isaiah explains
(ch. 34, 1): Come near, ye nations, to hear...For when Rome is destroyed, Israel shall be redeemed."
Rabbi Abraham also, in his book Tseror Hammor, section Schoftim, says the same:
"Immediately after Rome is destroyed we shall be redeemed."



IV. LASTLY, ALL CHRISTIANS, INCLUDING THE BEST OF THEM, ARE TO BE KILLED

In Abhodah Zarah (26b, Tosephoth) it says:
"Even the best of the Goim should be killed"
The Schulchan Arukh, after the words of Iore Dea (158, 1) that those of the Akum who do no harm to Jews are not to be
killed, namely those who do not wage war against Israel, thus explains the word Milchamah - war:
"But in time of war the Akum are to be killed, for it is written: 'The good among the Akum deserve to be killed, etc.'"

V. A JEW WHO KILLS A CHRISTIAN COMMITS NO SIN, BUT OFFERS AN ACCEPTABLE
SACRIFICE TO GOD
In Speher Or Israel (177b) it says:
"Take the life of the Kliphoth and kill them, and you will please God the same as one who offers incense to Him."
And in Ialkut Simoni (245c. n. 772) it says:
"Everyone who sheds the blood of the impious is as acceptable to God as he who offers a sacrifice to God."

VI. AFTER THE DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE AT JERUSALEM, THE ONLY SACRIFICE
NECESSARY IS THE EXTERMINATION OF CHRISTIANS
In Zohar (III, 227b) the Good Pastor says:
"The only sacrifice required is that we remove the unclean from amongst us."
Zhoar (II, 43a), explaining the precept of Moses about the redemption of the first born of an ass by offering a lamb, says:
"The ass means the non-Jew, who is to be redeemed by the offering of a lamb, which is the dispersed sheep of Israel. But if
he refuses to be redeemed, then break his skull....They should be taken out of the book of the living, for it is said about
them: He who sins against me, I shall take out of the book of life."




VII. THOSE WHO KILLO CHRISTIANS SHALL HAVE A HIGH PLACE IN HEAVEN

In Zohar (I, 38b, and 39a) it says:
"In the palaces of the fourth heaven are those who lamented over Sion and Jerusalem, and all those who destroyed
idolatrous nations...and those who killed off people who worship idols are clothed in purple garments so that they may be
recognized and honored."

VIII. JEWS MUST NEVER CEASE TO EXTERMINATE THE GOIM; THEY MUST NEVER
LEAVE THEM IN PEACE AND NEVER SUBMIT TO THEM
In Hilhoth Akum (X, 1) it says:
"Do not eat with idolaters, nor permit them to worship their idols; for it is written: Make no covenant with them, nor show
mercy unto them (Deuter. ch. 7, 2). Either turn away from their idols or kill them."

Ibidem (X, 7):
"In places where Jews are strong, no idolater must be allowed to remain..."

IX. ALL JEWS ARE OBLIGED TO UNITE TOGETHER TO DESTROY TRAITORS AMONG THEM
In Choschen Hamm. (338, 16) it says:
"All the inhabitants of a city are obliged to contribute to the expense of killing a traitor, even those who have to pay other
taxes."

X. NO FESTIVAL, NO MATTER HOW SOLEMN, MUST PREVENT THE BEHEADING OF A CHRISTIAN
In Pesachim (49b) it says:
"Rabbi Eliezer said: It is permitted to cut off the head of an 'idiot' [one of the people of the Earth] on the feast of the
Atonement when it falls on the Sabbath. His disciples said to him: Rabbi, you should rather say to sacrifice. But he replied:
By no means, for it is necessary to pray while sacrificing, and there is no need of prayers when you behead someone."

XI. THE ONE OBJECT OF ALL THE ACTIONS AND PRAYERS OF THE JEWS SHOULD BE
TO DESTROY THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION
Thus the Jews picture their Messiah and Liberator whom they expect, as a persecutor who will inflict great calamities upon
non-Jews. The Talmud lists three great evils which will come upon the world when the Messiah comes. In Schabbath (118a)
it says:
"Whoever eats three meals on the Sabbath shall be saved from the three evils: from the punishments of the Messiah, from the
pain of hell and from the war of Magog; for it is written: Behold, I shall send you Elias the Prophet before the coming of
the 'Day' of the Lord, etc.*

XII. IN THEIR PRAYERS THE JEWS SIGH FOR THE COMING OF THE REVENGEFUL MESSIA, ESPECIALLY ON THE EVE OF THE PASSOVER:

"pour out thy anger upon nations that know thee not, and upon the kingdoms which do not invoke thy name; Pour out thy
indignation upon them, and let thy wrathful anger take hold of them; Persecute and destroy them in anger from under the
heavens of the Lord."

They also pray as follows:
"How long will thy strength remain captive and thy beauty lie under the hand of the oppressor? O God! Show forth
thy strength and thy zeal against our enemies; break their strength and let them be confounded..."

And again:
"Cut off the hope of the unjust; let all heretics perish at once; root out, break up and destroy the Proud Kingdom; hasten
to make all peoples subject in our days."

At that very same time, on Good Friday, that "Prince of the Proud Empire" of Rome, the Pope, prays, and orders everyone in the world to pray for all "heretics" and those who are "lost", as follows:
"Let us pray for the perfidious Jews: that the Lord our God may take away the veil from their hearts, that they may acknowledge Jesus Christ our Lord.
"Omnipotent and Eternal God, who does not even exclude Jewish perfidy from thy mercy: hear our prayers which we offer for the blindness of that people, that, having recognized the light of thy truth, which is Christ, they may come out of their darkness, Through Jesus Christ our Lord..."



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religion is so fucking stupid lol

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To Baron:



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i prefer:

oh baron when will you join that god you love so much........


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quote:
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i prefer:

oh baron when will you join that god you love so much........


LMAO to the picture!!!
Those damn Noobie's


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quote:
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Heres some more about your "perfect" religion, as youve quoted.



http://www.abbc2.com/talmud/talmudi.htm


you moron, he said torah...

you dont know the difference between the torah and talmud??
just close your mouth, im embarrassed for you.

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same shit different smell

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i can't close this thread but Baron and Illusion are both suspended !

please stop these useless religion debates (sorry but a jew doesn't know shit about islam and a muslim doesn't know shit about judaism , no matter how much they read or bla bla bla about it) !


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quote:
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same shit different smell


yea thats intelligent!

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I definitely not agree with tathi simplified world view, blaming all cruelities in te history of mankind on religion. Religion was one of the fundaments of thvery first civilizations, no matter whther in Mesopotamia or in China / India.....Religion itself is neither positive nor negative. Like a knife which can be used to cut broccoli or stab one's throat.

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the belief in some god, a deist / pantheist, whatever; is neither positive or negative, organised religion is indeed an insidious facade that has been one of the major causes of pain and suffering throughout history. I'm not blaming all cruelties in the history of mankind on religion, just most, the only thing good that has come from religion is some kick arse art. The major religions today are probably more peaceful now than ever

how many years before they float the christian church on the stock exchange?

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