great topic...

I noticed the same trend as most people here - the beat and base definitely get more exposure, they are more "in your face" now than they were before... just a week ago at pvd I noticed how the crowd responded to tracks that were more base-drum driven. So, I'd say that texture will improve and beats will make the sound more edgy. That's the next wave.

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Originally posted by Taz Before the next reply to this thread you must answer this: Why is it that Mariachi music never changes or evolves no matter how many years go by, Salsa never changes one bit, and so on, and yet here we are saying "trance must change?" Why should it, when most types of specifically-defined genres stay so stubbornly true to form? (I've got theories but I'll let someone else go first.)

Ok, so my theories:

1 - The effect of DJing on how the music is made and expected to be made, in comparison to the way rock bands operate. Each song is designed to be interchangeable with the others, and is structured in a way that the DJ works with best. Advantage: DJ picks the best sections of the best records and a great level of refinement is achieved, so you have long streches of great music. Tradeoff: Music becomes an assembly-line process. Genres have tight, constricting definitions. No variety in tempo! By comparison, a band just does whatever it wants whenever it wants - a fast song here, a ballad there, a navel-gazer somewhere else.

2 - Face it, we tranceaddicts listen to our already repetitive music over and over and over. And it's all one vibe, one tempo. Of course things evolve quickly; our heads would explode if they didn't!

3 - The technology? More like the technique. And taste in general; we're getting accustomed to harder, faster and more bass-heavy tracks than what came immediately before. That's why some of the old Binary Finary stuff sounds really dinky now - at the time it was mildly deviant from the norm, today it's stripped of its old context of being "experimental and cutting edge (ooh, classical and techno!)". Meanwhile, Prodigy's Fat Of The Land album still sounds huge today, and that's 1997! So it's not the technology IMO.

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Originally posted by Taz Before the next reply to this thread you must answer this: Why is it that Mariachi music never changes or evolves no matter how many years go by, Salsa never changes one bit, and so on, and yet here we are saying "trance must change?" Why should it, when most types of specifically-defined genres stay so stubbornly true to form? (I've got theories but I'll let someone else go first.)

since music is created by humans,the most important base for music are the people around it. Back in the 60's/70's ect ect the generation of that time wasn't as busy and pressured by performance as our generation is. We want more out of life,more knowlegde of ourselfs,we want to feel the highest peaks and take the down's in life that come with those for granted. Our generation expresses emotions easier then any generation b4 us. Internet gave the people the chance of communication with everyone we want,anytime we want. We are more evolved and won't be satisfied if something isn't good enough, we will keep adjusting everything that's needed in our lifestyle.

This is why electronic music is constanly evolving, we adjust it to fit our lifestyles the best so we can life live to the max!

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Originally posted by Chicane update je sig eens hoer!

[b] Club DejaVU - Almere - 8 February 2014[/i]

BTW, I've been mulling this over for some time now. Everytime I hear a massive club tune, I think "hm... this is not your amature production". Ppl here are right by saying that trance has evolved from something cheesy and simple to something that can only be described as "awe" inspiring. I used to listen to a lot of Eurodance/Eurotrance... (think: E-rotic, Fancy, Bad boys blue, etc)... but now they just sound lame. I can't even listen to my old CD's anymore because they just pale in comparison to some of the stuff played in the clubs nowdays. Some of the examples that come to mind "Blackeight- Silence" "Rank 1 - Take your air" "second sun - crus" ... the list goes on and on. If you are like me, and think of every track as a Cubase (or insert your DAW software title here) project - where each sound is laid out and orchestrated, you come to realize that sounds of today are just so complex, it is mind boggling. From one perspective - it makes it extremely difficult to make a quality and impressive sound nowdays, you have to work that much harder. Compression, eq, ballancing, etc. - all the fun things you did before now have to be done on a new level. This is why everytime I have a long drive, I use that time to mentally break down the tunes into parts (tell me if you do the same thing :P ). This allows me to "hear" what the other artist is doing and then try to replicate that in my own studio. If you listen to a hard rock tune, you are probably not going to hear more than 5 or 6 distinct instruments. With trance, it gets alot more complicated. you have the effects, swooshes, cowbells, cymbals (and what not), then you have the backup theme, the front theme, the occasional hook loop, the beat of 2-3 drums, the hi-hats, claps, etc.. the list is long. Using that as an example, you're looking at about 16-32 tracks and that's not even counting the FX inserts such as reverb, delay, phase, etc. This makes trance by far the most complex music to create aside from 70+ Instrument orchestra. This is what makes it fun and nightmare all at the same time. Going forward, you're likely to see the complexity increase and then those that can't catch up will probably create a new style that suits their skills and find a new minimalistic "niche". I think the punk rock analogy fits in nicely here. When bands like Led Zeppelin or Rolling Stones were hard to top, groups like Sex Pistols or Television sprung up and took the whole new "minimalistic" approach to the extreme. They were average musicians who made their music speak with whatever skills they had. Not wondering off too far in the distance, sort of like Earnest Hemmingway using only 60 or so words in his works. So, comming back to the topic - the complexity will increase but you will still hear an occasional "simple" tune that will rule the floors - it all depends on the artist and his ability to reach out to the masses.

Thank you for listening. time to sleep..

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