ahhh kinda off the topic but has anyone seen the commericals for "NOW thats what i call music". they throw a bunch of shitty commerical junk in there and it sucks. they make dance remixes to pop tunes. god its horribile. maybe thats why people here dont even take the time to listen to a trance tune. i dunno i still think it will evnetually become big in the U.S. i just have a feeling. i dont know if that is for the better or worse. the artist will make more money, but i dont see how its going to change the way they make their music. why would it suddenly become cheesy just because more people like it. to me it seems if artist feel their music is reaching more people they will try harder and make it better for all of us to enjoy. dont worry about it becoming commerical, because we people here will have the songs earlier than any of our friends who dont like the music and just started playing alice deejay in their car. you dont have to tell them what song your listening to. its not going to stay underground, it will evolve and expand, just as a lot of things do. give it time, once one radio or tv station starts doing it...they will all follow if it helps their ratings. money hungry bastards!

you guys do have a point with the rave thing getting a bad image here in america. when i mentioned the word "trance" or "house" to my cousin, he said that he figured people who listened to these kinds of music are druggies and pissed drunk kids in a rave. i guess what they don't understand is that we actually like the music and we go to parties as such because we like it, not that we just want to get fucked up with drugs.
i was actually watching this show where this college kid desrcibed a rave as some impromptu thing where "drugged out" kids go to and where they have all those neon lights. i myself would want to go to a club, rather than a rave..the police always breaksit up anyway.
america is too dominated by record companies. what and what not to listen, what's cool, and what's not. that's why the club scene in europe is much more bigger, they don't really give about the record companies.more like, if the music is good, why not?

The bulk of Americans are too simple-minded to listen to a genre of music such as trance. For some reason, most of them flock to commercial-pop stuff like flies to shit. I'm an American too btw. Sure, some techno/trance may break into the mainstream once in awhile...but its always encased in a "pop" shell meaning its verry commercial. America won't be having anything like the Love Parade for a very long time but there are still some pretty damn big events such as DEMF.

Did anyone on this board go to Coachella?
Wonderful, big event, big names. It wasn't an immensely huge event like the Love Parade, but 50,000 good-vibed people showed up.

Anyone planning on going to Nocturnal Wonderlands in LA?
How about Creamfields in Las Vegas or New York?

My point being that there are big events that happen here. They just might not be broadcasted in the same way they are overseas. The medium through which information about the genre is passed on is completely different. There are no radio stations that I know of here in American that broadcast electronica 24/7.

Does it really matter if America conforms it's attitudes about the electronica genre to be like that of Europe? No.
People who are interested in this type of music can find out about it from certain sources and other people who don't like this type of music don't have to pushed onto it.

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Originally posted by Xavier dear oh dear, are you serious (did you mean that literally), you Americans still up to that part where raves are in a warehouse and run down building? If so, That is so far behind where I come from (Sydney) One big rave in Australia is Utopia, and it gets a fantastic setting because it uses The Sydney Superdome - the olympic venue that was used for gymnastics & basketball. There are minimal candy kids at raves here, though the worse thing is the candy kids dont go to the raves they go to the clubs eventhough most of the raves is all aged!

See you are a lucky guy. You get nice places that have nice facilities, and lovely music. I get run down ice-skating rinks to go to. Yea, what a cool place huh. I totally agree w/ everyone on this subject. Candy Kids should be beat, exceptionally beat, maybe even shot.. twice.. *phht* (along with barbara walters), and I cant wait for the music that we had 3 years ago, now that was the all time best music period EVER! ..hehe *pun*ROCK ON IN THE USA* I guess the US just has to wait for time to take its coarse, and hope Ms. walters, of infinite knowledge and wisdom, doesnt save us all from doom, and evil. My friend went to coachell she loved it. Thats what we need more of, and not just more, but we need that kinda stuff on a more regular basis, to shadow the random warehouse's we so often use. Im done now And to 78Orange, my parents think raves are tools of satan.

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Originally posted by blankmind The countries just too spread out. I mean, how is someone in Nebraska going to get introduced to trance?

Hehe, I'm glad you picked that state.. I live in Omaha, Nebraska and I've been into trance for about 2 years now. :P I got introduced to trance by checking out internet radio stations and stumbling onto Digitally Imported Radio

I totally agree that people here view raves badly. When I was in high school, the people I knew saw raves as an opportunity to go and get fucked up beyond belief.. not about groovin to some pounding beats and flowing melodies. It's just going to take time for the conservative people to change their view on clubs and electronica. Unfortunately, you also have to accept that there are a lot of people in the US that will always associate clubs/raves/etc with drugs, whether they are at the clubs dancing, or someone that doesn't go to clubs. Here in the US, people that persecute people because they don't understand what they are seeing seem to always have the loudest voices. Don't get too worked up about it. Prove them wrong. Live and let live. Enjoy the music!

peace!

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Thanks for reminding me.

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Originally posted by blankmind I don't think trance will ever be nearly as popular in America as it is over in most of Europe. The countries just too spread out. I mean, how is someone in Nebraska going to get introduced to trance?

That excuse i've heard 1000x and its completely useless. How could someone in Austria know about trance from the UK? Its so spread out!

Oh, wait. There are loveparades in Vienna and Newcastle, as well as Tel Aviv, Berlin, Johnannasburg, South Africa, a Technoparade in Paris, festivals in Belgium, the Netherlands, even places like Bulgaria, etc, etc that are thousands of miles away from each other. I don't buy it. The distance thing is the same in Europe as the US...

I'll comment more later.

I'm coming to think its more about quality exposure (especially radio) which just doesn't happen in the US...

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Look I'm American so it OK for me to say this, but:

The problem with Trance catching on in America lies solely in Americans themselves, Having Dj'ed over half the country I been to alot of crap clubs and problem #1 is Americans in general like to sing and dance to songs they know. Most Americans, obvisously not the ones here on TA, but most have really bad taste in music, America is a rock, rap, and pop country. They want to hear in clubs the same crap they hear on the radio, which leads us to prob #2.

America needs a national radio station, they main reason the club culture is so strong here in England is because they have a national broadcast station (Radio 1) that when as soon as friday evening comes around your inundated with some sort of Trance, House, Drum & Bass for almost the entire weekend. Now some of the major cities in America do this but until is done on a national level the scene will never grow.

Problem #3 I wont type much on this one, cause someone already covered it, but Candy Raver or just E/K-hole junkies etc. You kill the scene for everyone, No club owner in their right mind wants to sink millions of dollars into opening a super club, Pay thousands to top Dj week in and week out only to have you OD and die in his club. Thats just bad business.

hm, trinity may not be able to spell his own username (LOL)
but he definitely knows whats up.

that lack of radio seriously hurts the exposure, as well as the "raver" stigma

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Heres my two cents on why something like the love parade will never happen in the US. First the only way for it to happen is in a big city, say SF, NY, Chicago... A few things against that happening though, one with the amount of homelessness, crime, and general abundance of people in said cities it wouldnt be safe. So an big DJ that happens to come must play at a concert hall and then it looses its magic. FOr a "rave" to stay the spiritual thing that it is, it it forced to look for smaller venues. Now I dont want to stereotype anyone, but there are certain groups of people in america whom ruin the gathering for everyone else that just arent present in europe. Case in point stupid drunk college kids. In europe people know how to control themselves at the parties with alcohol it seems. Ive seen way to many groups of smashed college, frat boys in particular, come into readily accessable "raves" and cause trouble and ruin it so we are forced to look for more secluded venues where such incidents wont happen. Problem is at such small venues big name DJs wont come. So I dont see something as big as Love Parade ever happening here. If anyone from chicago has any other opinion let me know. If they are around the U of Illinois secene Im sure you call recall a few events in particular.

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