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Originally posted by Skipper Do you have any idea how much (or, more appropriately, how little) of a profit margin those artists make on their CDs? Why should that artist get cheated out of money for honest work? Wouldn't you be pissed if one day, you got half the paycheque for the same amount of work at your job?

the problem lies not with the artists...it's the recording industry and distributors that take all the money. My attitude is "fuck them"....if Tiesto only makes a dollar off his cd, which are sold from 20-30 dollars...something is wrong with the COMPANY...and I'm sorry, but we as the customers shouldn't foot that bill. They're just milking us for whatever they can...it's all about PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT. Though, as you're an IVEY Business graduate, I'm not surpised you sympathise with the corporations and artists on this issue.

Besides...in our genre...artists make way more money off touring than they do from their releases. The releases of remixes and tracks mainly serve to bring people to their gigs. This is why smart people like Tiesto (and other big Dj's) have never really been opposed to file sharing. MP3's spread the word and spread the music and the love...the sooner greedy labels realise this, the better. It's not ever going to go away, no matter how "moralistic" you get on everyone. People will only be taken advantage of for so long.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 the problem lies not with the artists...it's the recording industry and distributors that take all the money. My attitude is "fuck them"....if Tiesto only makes a dollar off his cd, which are sold from 20-30 dollars...something is wrong with the COMPANY...and I'm sorry, but we as the customers shouldn't foot that bill. They're just milking us for whatever they can...it's all about PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT. Though, as you're an IVEY Business graduate, I'm not surpised you sympathise with the corporations and artists on this issue.

There's a stereotype if I ever heard one. Don't paint Ivey grads with the same brush; it just makes you look ignorant.

I don't sympathize with the corporations at all. I think CDs ARE expensive. However, the person who is suffering is the person who CREATED the music in the first place - the artist. The corporations are using the suffering artists as an argument to get their profits back - which is to be expected, but not necessarily applauded. Regardless, if their actions help put money back in the pockets of the artists, I have to support it.

You have to consider that the profits of the artist go hand in hand with the profits of the label. I support one but don't support the other (to an extent - every label must make SOME profit from what they do), so I suck it up and buy the music. I think the interests of the artist are paramount. you, of course, put your own interests first and screw the artist by just downloading. You think you're avenging the company, but you're mostly hurting the artist when you download copyrighted music. (you meaning, in general.)

Personally I would rather have my own things anyways. I enjoy reading the inserts on CDs, and having a copy for my collection.

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Originally posted by Skipper Personally I would rather have my own things anyways. I enjoy reading the inserts on CDs, and having a copy for my collection.

and as I said earlier (do people even read the entire thread before posting or what?)...I own over 30 trance CD's. I have EVERY Tiesto CD, EVERY Ferry Corsten CD, EVERY Armin Van Buuren CD, EVERY Paul van Dyk CD...a few Oakie CD's, Mark Oliver's Timeless Trance and the Guvernment mix...I even have a couple of those Ministry of Sound compilations...and oh yeah...I imported Matt Darey's Ibiza Euphoria 2 CD mix at a cost of 50 dollars two years ago.

I also have 48 records that I've picked up from Release Records London(a shitty trance selection I have to say), Dr Disc (I found the original Gouryella there last year to my surprise), and over the internet...most notably Dancegrooves.

I've spent my fair share on music...as you said, I like to have the CD to look at, etc. But if a track hasn't been released yet, but is available on Soulseek...you're damn right I'm going to download it. If it's really great, I'll buy it too. Also, some remixes and liveset that I really like are never released and I get those too.

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Originally posted by DJMD123 Great googliemoogly!

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Originally posted by alec Here's the emotiocon for the middle finger :......................./´¯/ ....................,/¯../ .................../..../ ............./´¯/'...'/´¯¯`•¸ ........../'/.../..../......./¨¯\ ........('(...´...´.... ¯~/'....') .........\.................'...../ ..........''...\.......... _.•´ ............\..............( ..............\.............\

that must have taken a good 10 minutes. who's it directed at by the way?

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I didn't make it and its not directed at anyone, u asked for a middle finger emoticon, there she blows

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Originally posted by DJMD123 Great googliemoogly!

The REAL reason why the CD sales have dropped the past while is that the music that's been released simply sux ass!!!...it's all crap top 40 bullshit music!!! I've been buying expensive vinyls lately instead, so they can kiss my ass!

People are also downloading the good music from the bad and burning their own CDs... and people also use downloading mp3s as previewing songs from an artist before buying the CDs, I do it, and so there ya go.. I've paid my dues.

Even though I'm taking on a career in the music industry and all my profs are saying "mp3s are shit quality, stop downloading".... fuckit.... If I want to listen to my mp3-cd-player...i need music.... besides all the music I've bought that I burn to mp3-cds.
They should worry more about the real music pirates who download and actually sell burnt replicas of CDs....those are the real problems!!!

heh...wow... saw this coming a mile away.

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One thing I have a problem with is the idea downloading is stealing.

Am I changing the material in any way? Am I taking credit for it or passing it off as my own? Nope, and nope. Full credit is given to the artist, who has released this material through a label in hopes ppl like it.

The business side of the equation is that the label has applied the artist's material to saleable media like records, tapes, and cds and wants us to buy it from them, and the artist hopes that the pushing of the product means touring and performances and lots of $$$.
However, they also release it into the public domain via radio, free copies to ppl, radio promotions, etc.

Just to draw a parallel to other publicly traded media, let's use Ryan's photo's posted on here and saved on HDs every week. He has been paid to take those pics, has released them into the public, and as long as you don't modify, use them, or take credit for those pictures, no copyright has been broken by downloading or uploading that photo and sharing it with others as long as Ryan is given due credit.

This is supposed to be about copyright infringement according to the suits, and since I'm not taking credit for someone else's work I hardly see what having a version of what's given to me free on the radio daily on my HD is stealing. I have over 650 cds currently, and around 2000 mp3s. I used to spend my time wandering around downtowen after classes hanging in the Annex, or Queen St, or Yonge.. wherever there were used shops, and buy 4 or 5 discs a week. There simply is not a mainstream artist that impresses me enough to want to go and throw $15-$20 bucks down. They selectively give out the music free, so just because my friends aren't in DJ pools or A& R people, means I have to pay them for the privelege of listening to music @ my leisure?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... NOPE!

BTW, I wouldn't worry about the lawsuits. They don't have the financial clout like the US association does, so as long as you use KaZaA Lite, Soulseek, etc, then you aren't in any real danger.

Pay to hear them play

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Originally posted by crazedcanuck One thing I have a problem with is the idea downloading is stealing. Am I changing the material in any way? Am I taking credit for it or passing it off as my own? Nope, and nope.

If you stole clothes from a store, Do you alter them? NO do you take credit for it ,? NO, Do you pass them off that you bought them? maybe, but unlikely,

You're still stealing the music, cuz you haven't PAID FOR IT!

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Originally posted by DJMD123 Great googliemoogly!

Music is art, much like Ryan's photos. Am i stealing his pictures he took of me or my friends after he posts them here?

Clothes are made to be sold, and the "music industry" did this to music only when recordale versions of it became possible to manufacture and sell. Now their monopoly on music has been crushed, and rightfully so. It is a medum that is a part of the public domain again, and they don't like it.

If Ryan asks money for you to own them , then yes! as he's not trying to profit from them, then its not a big deal! can you tell Tiesto to his face that, sorry mate, I don't buy your music because although I like you, its art, and it should be free, that's bullshit that our generation puts out there, because we're used to stealing as a way of life now!

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Originally posted by DJMD123 Great googliemoogly!