the way some people are acting you would think i had offended their mothers.

DJs styles are allowed to change, im not the style police, but cant i be dissapointed when he has changed his style to what i think is for the worse?

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Originally posted by TiksA You don't need to go see a good techno dj for techno or whatever your saying. Carl Cox is meant to be one of the most respected techno djs and when i saw him live few weeks ago he played house, techno, some dance bootlegs and trance. It was most likely the best night @ Family for the whole year as all the people have said that.

i can go buy a few techno records, play them, and mix them like trance. That doesnt make me a techno DJ and it doesnt make tiesto a techno dj either. Carl Cox, Ben Sims, etc, have much superior technical skills, and i have no doubt that carl cox played some of those genres and made it sound relatively good. IN MY OPINION tiesto doesnt.

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Originally posted by escee the way some people are acting you would think i had offended their mothers. DJs styles are allowed to change, im not the style police, but cant i be dissapointed when he has changed his style to what i think is for the worse?

nah that's totally fair enuff and i've said the same many a time myself, about the likes of pvd etc......guess u just came across in ur first post like u thought he shouldn't progress to new things....

i really hope u enjoy him NYE....crossing fingers for u

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Originally posted by escee You're dead to me boy, more dead than your dead mother... This pseudo techno shit that tiesto is playing is horrible. If I wanted to listen to techno, i'd go listen to a techno dj who had some skill. You cant go from some popular progressive tracks, to some popular trance tracks, to some half assed techno stuff in the space of an hour. I think i’m more than capable to judge this based on the live sets and cds i’ve heard from him this year. His recent cd he mixed for being the worlds number one dj, was crap. It suffered from what I mentioned above, imo, and the mixing was really average. Nyana was crap. Poorly mixed, average track selection. I was really disappointed with it and i'm sure many other people were as well. Tiesto's productions appear to heading the way of his sets. Blackhole is releasing a lot of music in that style now, and Tiesto - Traffic shows the way, which he is heading. I don’t think suburban train, flight 643, and magik journey calibur songs will ever be released by tiesto again. If tiesto plays a sub standard set on new years day, then ill saunter off into the house room probably, and ill take the respect I once had for tiesto with me. Which is truly sad. Fortunately there are other guys, which will carry on my love for trance, armin for the most part. Tiesto should take a few notes out of his book. In my opinion armin should have number 1 this year. Especially when 1 and 2 were tiesto and van dyk. Anyone else think the same way?

AMEN! Agree 100%....If I want techno I don't want to hear tiesto playing a megamix of prog/trance and techno within an hour, give me a 4 hour set min! for that transition with full blown techno tracks not 30 tech-trance tracks after 3 prog and 2 trance.

I saw Armin for 4 hours the other week and he played a nice set, structure wise, not just sampling, but played prog and trance before reaching tech trance and some techno at the end, that's progression.

Style I dun care about, but if you're going to spend more then 1/2 a set playing techno records, make them proper techno tracks, and get good at spinning techno (as escee said).

--djway

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Originally posted by djway AMEN! Agree 100%....If I want techno I don't want to hear tiesto playing a megamix of prog/trance and techno within an hour, give me a 4 hour set min! for that transition with full blown techno tracks not 30 tech-trance tracks after 3 prog and 2 trance. I saw Armin for 4 hours the other week and he played a nice set, structure wise, not just sampling, but played prog and trance before reaching tech trance and some techno at the end, that's progression. Style I dun care about, but if you're going to spend more then 1/2 a set playing techno records, make them proper techno tracks, and get good at spinning techno (as escee said). --djway

ffs give the guy a break....he's NOT a techno dj, but he played at a very techno-oriented event (innercity) and he only had a short set time....i give him kudos for at least trying to play the kinda set an innercity crowd would want - u cant expect him to suddenly just pull out a really really awesome 'proper' techno set when that's just not his style....why should he waste his time perfecting a style that he wouldn't play very often??

and btw, djway with the amount of sage-like advice u hand out about mixing and about how dj's should play, i'm expecting perfection from u NYE

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Why would he play at an event thats not his style? i think that should be the question, and i cam think of probably 50,000 answers which made him agree. PVD seemed to have no trouble sticking to trance for the part of his set that wasnt broadcast? granted it was probably at +8 all the way through though.

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It just goes to show that you can't please everyone, all the time.


Also, why do people think that so many rules apply to playing a set?

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lol at besmirched

I'll rePLy to this thread after new years and tell ya my rackandpinion...

Although...cmon Armin does not own all trance DJ's..seriously there are so many more better trance DJ's they just cant produce as well as Armin...6 hours maybe the test for him but seriously I find half an hour of Armin and his 'soft NRG' a test..
(but he rocks the shop every time so Kudos to him)

and I agree with Muppet...its live..theres a crowd..they may be going absolutely spastic...you never know

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Originally posted by escee i'd go listen to a techno dj who had some skill. It’s not just been this one set either, I haven’t heard a really good tiesto set through out the entire year. You can say he going through a transitional period or make a number of other excuses, but he has been confused about what to play for a while in my opinion. You cant go from some popular progressive tracks, to some popular trance tracks, to some half assed techno stuff in the space of an hour. I think i’m more than capable to judge this based on the live sets and cds i’ve heard from him this year. His recent cd he mixed for being the worlds number one dj, was crap. It suffered from what I mentioned above, imo, and the mixing was really average. Nyana was crap. Poorly mixed, average track selection. I was really disappointed with it and i'm sure many other people were as well. Gone are the magikal days where you could download a tiesto set and expect absolute quality. Thankfully he stopped at magik 7, besmirching that series with the tripe he plays now would have been awful. No other cd i've heard rivals magik 6, it could be tiesto, it could be trance being made today, it could be, and probably is, a bit of both. But the tiesto we all knew and once loved is gone. Anyone else think the same way?

So are you saying tiesto has no skill??, because you mention how good his older sets are so clearley he has 'skill' he is just has a different sound now and you dont like it so you just flame him

I have not personaly heard a live tiesto set this year but from peopple i know who have and what you read, the vast majority of people would say tiesto's sets "went off" big time and the crouds loved it.

Prehaps the mixing in some sets might not have been the best but;

A good set is one that entertains the croud !!

Changing quickley between different styles might sound shit listing to a recorded set at home but it works live

and the dj is playing for the people in the croud not the people downloading the set.

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Originally posted by First Strike So are you saying tiesto has no skill??, because you mention how good his older sets are so clearley he has 'skill' he is just has a different sound now and you dont like it so you just flame him I have not personaly heard a live tiesto set this year but from peopple i know who have and what you read, the vast majority of people would say tiesto's sets "went off" big time and the crouds loved it. Prehaps the mixing in some sets might not have been the best but; A good set is one that entertains the croud !! Changing quickley between different styles might sound shit listing to a recorded set at home but it works live and the dj is playing for the people in the croud not the people downloading the set.

Funny how any other DJ in the top 100 (excuse PvD also ) can mix the best in almost 100% of their sets.

Funny how any other DJ in the top 100 can play a set for the people in the crowd that kills it in the downloads as well.

(The above is true for MANY more then the top 100, quite a few locals can be applied the the above statments).

--djway

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Since when has DJ Mag poll been about technical skills?? Please...it's a popularity contest...and clearly ppl love Tiesto for way more than technical skills.....

And aren't u exaggerating and generalising a tad to say 98 out of the top 100 djs can mix perfectly in almost 100% of their sets?? i'd love to know how u know that

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read people.

i said that tiesto isnt as technically good as a techno dj.

anyone who trys to refute that must be stupid, or has not listened to any techno at all, OR doesnt understand just how much they do compared to djs of other genres.

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Originally posted by escee read people. i said that tiesto isnt as technically good as a techno dj. anyone who trys to refute that must be stupid, or has not listened to any techno at all, OR doesnt understand just how much they do compared to djs of other genres.

fully 100% agree but NO trance dj is as technically good as a techno dj.....well, it's not that they're not as good - it's that they don't have the opportunity to show whether or not they are - because, for the mostpart, u just can't do the technical stuff with trance that u can with other genres........if u want to see technical prowess, go watch a tech dj - don't go watch tiesto!!!!

anyways, this thread has gone all tangenty now *lol* regardless, those of u who are seein the man NYE, hope u all have as much fun as i did last night

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