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rory21
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Registered: Jun 2002
Location: Cape Town

I know vinyl is a analog sound, but trance is an electronic music form. so its made on a pc? what form would a producer save it on his pc as? if he saves it as a wav or aif file its still cd quality, even if its pressed to vinyl.



but ya vinyl stil rules

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SYSTEM-J
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Location: Manchester

Oh wow, vinyls are great for DJs. What about the other 99.5% of music fans who aren't DJs?


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noonboy
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Registered: May 2002
Location: Norway

I like both.
I collect a few vinyls.
I play CD's mostly.

I'm under 18. Under 18 means no credit card. No credit card=no ordering from most good online stores. So I'll have to stick with CDR's and few vinyls for two more years

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Epic Star
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Registered: Oct 2003
Location: In Finland

I started with CD but now I spin Vinyl too. I like play with both formats so for me Vinyl vs. CD is Tie

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DRM
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Registered: Mar 2001
Location: Somewhere where it's raining

one seriously question, cuz i dont know the answer myself. if nearly all Electronic music is created on a computer these days, then the outputted file that gets put on vinyl will already have lost the upper and lower end frequencies that people are saying make vinyl sound better over cd will it not? so therefore with music created in this way there will be no sound difference between the two mediums


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DJ_Elyot
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Registered: Aug 2002
Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by DJRavemonkey
one seriously question, cuz i dont know the answer myself. if nearly all Electronic music is created on a computer these days, then the outputted file that gets put on vinyl will already have lost the upper and lower end frequencies that people are saying make vinyl sound better over cd will it not? so therefore with music created in this way there will be no sound difference between the two mediums


Well most digital artists put their music together at a higher quality than 16 bit, 44.1 kHz (CD quality). I'd prefer 32 bit, 96 kHz for pressing to vinyl... tho in the end, there's not gonna be that much audible difference, especially in a club when you've got a few hundred (or thousand) people swarming around you, screaming, whistling, etc. Also, you don't lose any lower end frequencies with lower levels of encoding... you only lose fidelity in the upper-most treble regions. If a CD can encode data at 44.1 kHz, then theoretically it can produce sound of up to 22.05 kHz in frequency, but it would sound tinny as hell (only 2 samples of data per wavelength of sound) and even the best digital to analog conversion can't do much with 2 samples... it's like playing connect the dots with a series of points on a sound graph where you only have 2 points per wave. So even if you divide that in half to 11.025 kHz, you're only going to have 4 dots to connect per wave... and most trance contains quite a bit of treble in the 10-20 kHz range. So most of the treble on a CD is only being encoded with 3 or 4 samples per wave. This is WORKABLE for digital to analog conversion, but still doesn't produce the best sound. 96kHz is MUCH better than 44.1 kHz for accurately replicating the treble (this is comparable to how 192 kbps MP3 sounds much better than 96 kbps MP3, especially in the treble area.) Since the quality is downgraded when the music is burnt to CD, the CD if of lower fidelity than the original recording. This of course, is assuming the producer is using extremely high quality samples, instruments, and synths (otherwise there probly will be little audible difference). You don't lose quality if the quality wasn't there to begin with.


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extepan
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Registered: Jun 2002
Location: Hong Kong

quote:
Originally posted by Pete Mitchell
people said that years ago when cd's came out yet vinyl is still here?


mate, the last vinyl factory in Hong Kong closed down 12 years ago.!!

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caddyshack
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Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Lansing

anyone who says one is better then the other should take The Vinyl Challenge. Kinda like the pepsi challenge, get it? har har, anyway, i think no one will be able to tell the difference (provided both the cd and vinyl are in perfect condition of course).

but seriously, vinly is just damn cool. plus i like cueing with vinyl better because i think it is easier to change speeds, and you can see on the record where the music changes so you can better guess how much time you have left

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dj_skratch_1
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Registered: Dec 2003
Location: Vancouver, BC

Vinyl definately, it doesn't need a sample rate to be recognized in order to play, it's pure sound as long as it is treated properly. I also like having the actual tangable piece of music, plus its faster to locate to breaks and other parts of the song instead of the pain in the ass alternative......the dreaded fast forward button, boo to CD's for DJ's....


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