quote:

Originally posted by Romain The guide is instructive, but 1 thing got me in a quite bad mood 1st time i was there: seeing Ferry Corsten (with the track Elevate) or The Thrillseekers in the "not trance - crap" section.

Believe it or not, it belongs there: and you're hearing it from someone who likes that kind of music.


Keep in mind that trance was something completely different. A modern tendency of trance was to become housey: progressive trance is trance being housey, nrg was hard acid trance being UK hard housey and epic trance is an (evolution/reaction) (of/to) 90's eurodance.

As you can all remember, Eurodance was some sort of "pop edm". The emphasis was on the singers and the producers (who were doing most of the work) were ignored in the mainstream: that's why many eurodance groups are known by the singer's name. Progressive trance had as its mean goal, the will to make trance sound housey. After Rober Miles hit the charts with Children, producers realised they could have the spotlight. The detuned saw waves from eurodance fitted perfectly in the new genre, and the old 4 bar choruses, with pointless lyrics was replaced by 16 bar complex melodies, which showed the producers' musical skills. By this time, trance had become something completely different from the ultra-repetitive music that was born in Germany.

This is why he labels Ferry Corsten as "not trance", and the only reason why I call it trance too, is because I can't find a better name.

Fortunately, I've been seeing what I call a 2nd wave of Epic trance, like "Frenzy" from Haak, which goes back to what trance used to be one day. As everything seems to be cyclical in this life, I really hope this is trance going back to what it's once been, but evolved

___________________
Indiana Clones Upcoming Sets
[ I May Upload Something Someday ]

quote:

Originally posted by TwoPlow I disagree.

Why? What's wrong with Ishkur? He's got nice view on things.
Except when he's bashing trance But that's funny anyways.

___________________
Check out my funky DNB Mix at Kapteinsortebill: KapteinSortebill's DNBMIX Trove

..[ manual defrosting is a thing of the past ].. diGNty

Ishkur's guide is the best place to look: for all its opinions it is almost entirely accurate. Just because he doesn't share your opinions doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's talking about. Quite frankly, the only reason he gets so much stick is because people treat the guide like the "be all and end all" of music, when his disclaimer clearly states that you aren't to take it too seriously.

___________________
Mixes:
> Maximum Elevation [Progressive House]
> DI.FM 26th Anniversary Guest Mix [Progressive House]
> Live @ Dance:Love:Hub London, 11.10.2025
> Higher Peaks [Progressive House]
> Dance:Love:Hub Afterparty (The Return) 23.11.24

Like these sets? Come see me play live at Kibosh in Manchester: https://www.instagram.com/kibosh.mcr/

i think that guide is hilarious. it's uber opinionated, and even though i love prog and he says it's for elitist fucks, the description is great! maybe that's cos i don't take it seriously

___________________
no my first name ain't baby. it's janet. miss jackson if you're nasty.

he is so funny
=]

___________________
You've never looked at a woman and been totally vulnerable... known someone that could level you with her eyes... feeling like God put an angel on earth just for you.

Skylar: Men are shameless. If your not thinking with your weiner, you're acting directly on it's behalf.
Will: You bet and on behalf of my weiner, can I get like an advanced payment?
Skylar: No.


GOOD WILL HUNTING ownz u!

nyeh

quote:

Originally posted by Maaz Yeah, that's quite true. I remember in some thread Ishkur and I were defending the guide while YaleTrance was defending modern trance. He did build his argument on facts, and did not state just an opinion (i.e. he didn't say "it rules because it's good" nor "it sucks because I say so"). Don't get me wrong, I still like trance (specially nrg, since I'm a bit fed up with epic trance producers), but if you read carefully, you'll realise Ishkur has a point.

Well what I meant is that's I've put up my share of defenses for Ishkur's guide too (such as in this thread).

Shit, I never realized the immense amount of classifications of sounds that have come about over the course of the years. Seems fairly informative, despite the intense hatred towards a lot of the newer genres of music (in particular the trance section).

___________________
All-Time Favorites:
1.) Gouryella - Tenshi (Transa Remix)
2.) Paul van Dyk feat. Hemstock & Jennings - Nothing But You (PvD Original Mix)
3.) Andain - Beautiful Things (Gabriel & Dresden Unplugged Mix)
4.) Matt Hardwick vs. Smith & Pledger - Day One (Above & Beyond Remix)

quote:

Originally posted by Cobalt Well what I meant is that's I've put up my share of defenses for Ishkur's guide too (such as in this thread).

Ah, I remember that thread I guess he's saying who defended trance so far, not who defended the guide.

Ironically, till this day, more people defended the guide (with serious posts, that is).

___________________
Indiana Clones Upcoming Sets
[ I May Upload Something Someday ]

quote:

Originally posted by Pete Mitchell Goa - 138-150bpm usually.weird sounds,noises (water dripping,babies crying,frogs croaking,helicopter rotors,outer space effects etc) all sampled.sometimes synthy and trancey at times.synth runs go in an ascending and descending order.goes up then comes all the way back down.as if the sound is coming towards you then it speeds past....... very experimental.sometimes incorporates the old radio fones (i think thats wot u call them) into the music giving it a somewhat 1960's feel iesychedelic.alot of filtering and paning effects used giving an almost futuristic feel.all with deep deep pounding basslines.with great melodies too. Damn thats a hard genre to difine lol

with that description it sounds like you could make a couple of hundred versions of the same song and thats about it.

___________________
Ladies and gentlemen... we are floating in space!

"If you take the simplest, crudest notion of self-consciousness, I suppose that would be the sort of self-consciousness that a lobster has: When it`s hungry, it eats something, but it never eats itself. It has some way of distinguishing between itself and the rest of the world, and it ahs a rather special regard for itself."
Daniel Dennett

quote:

Originally posted by Ishkur 50 million complaints about my guide on this forum, and only one person--ONE PERSON OUT OF ALL OF YOU--has ever been able to put up any kind of defensible argument, and that's YaleTrance. What the hell is the matter with you people? Are you all really that hopeless? I thought you're supposed to be "TRANCE ADDICTS".

That's spot on, but I'd say mostly because it's not a very defensible position. Trance, on the whole, has been reduced to fluffy formulaic drivel and, well, that's [pretty much] exactly what you say, so what is there to argue with

___________________

quote:

Venus: And there are troops of savage giraffes whose necks are on fire, like the starry ejaculations of fireworks in the very pale sky of childhood ... Venus: Enter, enter here - men of all kinds and races, victims of reality! You who have the thirst for dreams. ... Venus: You, on life's bitter road, drenched in hard sunlight who have the thirst that once more the dark marvel of dreams...

I thought this was a good guide until i saw the definition of 'not trance a.k.a. crap'.. Why on earth do you have overdrive by scot project there?? When i saw scot project one time, he played this song and people just went insane.. there wasnt one person in the room not dancing.. this was some 2 years after its release. This is probably the best example of hard trance you will ever find and by labelling it as 'crap' proves that your guide isnt a very credible one.

___________________
"There are no forces in the universe that are bad in themselves.
It is always up to man whether he will make good or bad use of them."
- Dr. Albert Hofmann