They have a button for that? Interesting, i didn't know. But i don't think that's a really good thing? I mean, when you start to play out, how are you going to pitch bend?

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Originally posted by IntegraR0064 See....i don't have these old fart 1200s. I use stanton str8-100s...and they have pitch bend buttons. Basically a button that does that for you. The great thing about it is that you don't have to worry about putting hte pitch exactly where it was.

Wait, don't you want to NOT put it back at exactly the same spot anyways ? And like borron said, when you play out, your going to have a bit of a rough time because there won't be any buttons. Same with the person who said they use the m3d's reset button. It might work, and I have the m3d's myself, but I try to shy away from using the button to pitch bend because if I play out, there's a great chance that they have mk2's or something.

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It's definitely true that you'll be much more effective at riding the pitch if you can already beatmatch in a matter of seconds, because then it won't matter if you come back to the exact spot on the slider that results in the perfect matching of bpms. Once you ride the pitch so that the beats are on top of one another (no train track antics), if you can beatmatch quickly enough I imagine it wouldn't be hard at all to hear the beats straying and make an even more accurate 'riding of the pitch' to match the bpms once again and weed out any clackity clack.

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Originally posted by `pr0digy Wait, don't you want to NOT put it back at exactly the same spot anyways ?

Right, right....let me clarify. You don't necessarily want to put it back at the same spot, but you want to know exactly where that spot is.

Like...when i'm almost finished beatmatching, and i'm just fine tuning...i'll touch the pitch bend button, beats align, then i move the slider like a fraction of a microinch. It makes things so much more accurate to have the buttons, because you know exactly where it was before moving it.

I can do just fine on 1200s too, like i said...just not quite as good since i'm using the spindle usually.

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i dident read the intire thing but just gonna post my $0.02, i have the str8-100 which has the pitch bend tool in it, anyways its great, since you dont need to actually tuch the record to get it in beat

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Nem's thoughts on using pitch bend technique and a few other bits...

• You can actually pitch bend on Techs too if you are using 33s. The technique is simply to hold down the 33 button and quickly tap the 45 and you will get an increase in spead that is caused by the deck and not you, hence it does't give any reactive compensation issues. Sadly it doesn't work the other way around for 45s.
  
  
• A lot of DJs also use the stop/start button to slow the record down. A quick double tap will slow the record down only a fraction. This is something that takes practice and is used by some of the top level DJs. Tiesto does it for one. I have tried this but as I do most of my stuff with the pitch these days it doesn't seem worth while.
  
  
• As for returning the pitch fader back to where it was. Well the reason why it drifted off is that it wasn't right in the first place so I usually give it a milimeter extra. What you should always do before it drifts off is actually stand above it and look down so that you make a mental note of where you started.
  
  
• With practice it almost feels like you are using the force as it will eventually just feel right. You will hear how it affects the music and you will know what this means. This technique does take time before you master it but when you have everything else will just seem crap.
  
  
• I have found that the best way to make a correction is to use lots of small movements rather than big ones as the effect on the output of the music will be unnoticable. You will also be closer to the original spot and will be able to keep track of that better.
  
  
• Some people worry about riding the pitch through the whole mix. To be honest you get records that will do this to you every now and again during a set. Sometimes you can sit back and watch them go so it does vary. But the point is this, did it sound the same for both of them even though you really had to earn your money for one of them? If the answer is yes then it really doesn't matter how you did it as long as you made enough time for yourself to do the other bits you needed to do.
  
  
• Pitch Bend Technology. Yup, I can't understand why not more deck manufacturers have done this. It's a very logical move and would make beat matching very easy for everyone. While I have to also admit that I am not a fan of anything that levels the playing field in favour of lesser DJs against the good ones. Unless it involves skill development.
  
  
• The key to being a good DJ in terms of skill is to accept that you don't know everything. Never rely on technology to bring you to a level of a guy who doesn't use it, as it will just be a false economy so to speak. Always be on the lookout for things you can learn to make you better.
  
  
• Be humble, there are too many DJs out there who think they are the dogs bollocks (English expression which compares to 'the bomb') when in actual fact they are just bollocks (Shit). I met a funky house DJ the other day who was playing in the backroom of the place I was headlining. I spoke to him for a bit then got onto the subject of DJing. He talked about his set and started taking the piss out of the female DJ who was on after him (doing cowboy gestures etc). Having heard the 'high' point of the set he was talking about, he definately shouldn't have been taking the mickey out of the following DJ for anything. Just have respect for eachother and leave your attitude behind. If a DJ that has come on after isn't as good as you then beleive me... they will know it. No need to rub their nose in it.
  

The thing about riding the pitch is that is does usually transfer quite well between different makes of deck too. Much better than messing with the platter or the spindle (Admittedly not always).

Another rant over...

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Mostly I just touch the record and slowly tune the pitch accordingly. Whenever I try to pitch bend I find that I have to resist an overwhelming urge just to nudge the record along intead of just using the pitch bending technique. Maybe Ill just have to tie my hand behind my back to train myself or something!

Doesn't this wear down the life of your turntables?

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Originally posted by DjCoz Doesn't this wear down the life of your turntables?

Doesn't wearing your shoes wear down the life of your shoes?

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Point taken, I was just wondering if it significantly reduces the life of your turntables as opposed to doing it the other way.

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