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Originally posted by Yoepus hehe you're not helping your cause here - afterall Bosnians are muslims, and later links betwen them and Arab terrorist organization such as Al Qadea have been fairly well linked.

This had nothing to do with their religion.... he said there was so much hate, that religion was the last thing.

Also, remeber, there were also, croats and albanians that also did the same thing.


If you honestly think that religion is what mainly drives these people to go to such extreme lengths, then you obviously havent given a chance to imagine what its like living under occupation

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And guess what, we were on their side! The Afghans fought against the Serbs, and so did we!

Yeopus, if Sharon is representitive of Israeli publc opinion then I dont think there is a hope in hells chance of peace, never mind what the Palestinians think!

Out of interest, what is the general opinion on creating the Biblical 'Greater Israel', does this have large support? Whats your views on it too?

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Originally posted by Cyrus King This had nothing to do with their religion.... he said there was so much hate, that religion was the last thing.

well I don't know about that, can you name me one non-muslim suicide bomber?




I can't picture any athesits volunteering for these type of adventrues.

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Originally posted by George Smiley And guess what, we were on their side! The Afghans fought against the Serbs, and so did we! Yeopus, if Sharon is representitive of Israeli publc opinion then I dont think there is a hope in hells chance of peace, never mind what the Palestinians think!

Why not?
Barak, Peres, Bibi, and Rabin were all also representitive of Israeli opinion. I think the problem here is exactly what the Palestinians think, not never mind it. Israeli opinion is a direct corrolation to Palestinian thought and action.

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Out of interest, what is the general opinion on creating the Biblical 'Greater Israel', does this have large support? Whats your views on it too?

I don't know.. I haven't seen anythign really scientific on it. I'm sure many love the idea of a Greater Israel, but they all realize it is, and will remain for perhaps forever just that - a nice idea, a nice dream. In general Israelis are very pargramatic, and they realize a solution like that is as likely as the Palestinians having a greater Palestine.

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Originally posted by Yoepus well I don't know about that, can you name me one non-muslim suicide bomber?

The Tamil Tigers

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And of course the Japanese Kamikaze pilots during WW2

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Originally posted by Cyrus King The Tamil Tigers

ok fair enough. Name two.

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Originally posted by Georgey And of course the Japanese Kamikaze pilots during WW2

Just because they commited sucide and had bombs doesn't mean they were suicide bombers They unanimously (to the best of my knowledge) attacked only military tagerts - and military 'sacrifise' is as old as war.

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Originally posted by Yoepus Just because they commited sucide and had bombs doesn't mean they were suicide bombers They unanimously (to the best of my knowledge) attacked only military tagerts - and military 'sacrifise' is as old as war.

Also it's kind of religious since they committed kamikaze attacks in the name of their emperor who they viewed as part God.

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The Japanese Kamikaza pilots were exactly the same as suicide bombers. It was not just "sacrifice in war" it was killing themselves cos that was their belief, exactly same as Muslim suicide bombers. All you have to do is believe you are going to a better place and it is exactly the same. You say they didn't target civilian targets but they didn't have the choice did they? If America was joined onto Japan I am sure they would (lets face it, every side in the war that could, targeted civilian targets as well as military targets, what makes you think the Japanses would have been any different to Germany, Britain or the US?)

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Originally posted by George Smiley The Japanese Kamikaza pilots were exactly the same as suicide bombers.

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...All you have to do is believe you are going to a better place and it is exactly the same.

...except that the Kamikaze missions were a tactical strategy and the pilots did it for their country, it had nothing whatsoever to do with religious beliefs, therefore it couldn't have had to do with "going to a better place".

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You say they didn't target civilian targets but they didn't have the choice did they?

They didn't?

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...lets face it, every side in the war that could, targeted civilian targets as well as military targets

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what makes you think the Japanses would have been any different to Germany, Britain or the US?)

Wow, I can make so little sense of that post... I know you can do better than that. I think you're off your game today, George...

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Well, the Kamikaze pilots did see a lot of honor in what they were doing, and they were promised that if they did this, they would reverred in the next life. While it may not have MUCH religious context, it's still kinda the same thing as the Palestinian suicide bombers. One major difference though is that the Kamikaze pilots were not terrorists, they were part of an organized military.

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Originally posted by DR86 Well, the Kamikaze pilots did see a lot of honor in what they were doing, and they were promised that if they did this, they would reverred in the next life. While it may not have MUCH religious context, it's still kinda the same thing as the Palestinian suicide bombers. One major difference though is that the Kamikaze pilots were not terrorists, they were part of an organized military.

Hmmm plus they didn't hide themselves among the civilian population. As a matter of fact I've never even read of a single account of a Japanese fighting force hiding themselves as civilians to attack US invaders in Iowa Jima, Okinawa, Guam, or any of the island invasions. I guess that would go against the Bushido ...

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