u may not believe anything thats in the bible, but this is the bibles reasons why we never evolved...

Genesis 1:26
Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [ 1:26 Hebrew; Syriac [ all the wild animals ] ] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

Genesis 9:6
"Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man.
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the bible had in it, every aspect of life covered. ask me any question, and ill find a bible passage concerning it. the bible gives direction to the lost. u people are classifyed as lost, because u have no idea, where your life is going, u dont know for sure where u go when u die, and many of you are undecided when it comes to many morality issues...

just ask me any question....

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Originally posted by Heinz just ask me any question....

Well shoot, ok. Reconcile one of the quotations you made above

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Genesis 9:6 "Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man.

With the following bible quotes that call for the death of "God's images" in these scenarios:

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for following another religion: Exodus 22:20 states: He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed. See also and Numbers 25:1-15. for a stranger entering the temple: Numbers 1:51 states (in part): ...when the tabernacle is to be pitched, the Levites shall set it up: and the stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death. See also Numbers 3:10, 18:7 and 17:13. for proselytizing: Deuteronomy 13:1-10 states that a person who tries to convince an Israelite to convert to another religion must be killed. for communicating with the dead: Leviticus 20:27 calls for the execution by stoning of all mediums and spiritists (aka spiritualists), both male and female. for black magic: Exodus 22:18 states: Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. This is a mistranslation. The passage has nothing to do with Wicca or other forms of Neo-paganism, which are the only types of Witchcraft that are practiced today in North America in significant numbers . The original Hebrew word is translated "sorceress" in most other versions of the Bible. A more accurate phrase would be "women who engage in black magic, harming others by the use of spoken curses." Men are left off the hook. Sexual grounds: Other passages required people to be stoned to death or even burned alive for sexual activities: for adultery: Leviticus 20:10 states: And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. This is repeated in Deuteronomy 22:22 for incest: Leviticus 20:11 states: And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death... See also Leviticus 20, verses 12 and 14. Verse 17 prescribe excommunication for incest with one's sister or step-sister. for temple prostitution: Leviticus 20:13 states: If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death.... This verse is often incorrectly interpreted to refer generally to homosexual behavior. See also Deuteronomy 22:24. Both verses, in the original Hebrew, refer to homosexual prostitution in Pagan temples, which was a common religious practice in the tribes surrounding the Israelites. for bestiality: Leviticus 20:15 states: And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast. And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast.... See also Exodus 22:19. for sexual activity before marriage: Deuteronomy 22:13-21 concludes: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die...".. Note that this applied only to women who had been presented as virgin brides and could be proven to have engaged in intercourse before being engaged or married. There appears to have been no penalty for men who engaged in pre-marital sexual activity. for sexual activity with both a woman and her mother: Deuteronomy 20:14 requires that all three be burned alive. for being seduced if engaged: Deuteronomy 22:23-24 states: If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die. Note that this applied only to engaged women. Her fiancé could (in some cases) have sexual access to her, but no other man was permitted to engage in such activity as soon as she became engaged. There appears to have been no penalty for engaged men who seduced women. for rape of an engaged woman: Deuteronomy 22:25 states: But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. A man who raped a single woman who was not engaged would only have to marry her and give 50 shekels of silver to her father. for prostitution Leviticus 21:9 states: And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire. Executing someone by burning them alive appears to be reserved for a narrow range of criminal acts

In the event that these are not coo ... cooooo .... cooooonnnttt .... contradictions, should we immediately enforce capital punishment for aforementioned crimes? I shall now hang up and take your answer off the air.

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Oh hell, there's a shitload more too

http://www.religioustolerance.org/exe_bibl.htm

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Originally posted by Heinz just ask me any question....

Why was god talking to himself when he created the universe?

can u see atoms?? no. but u know they are there, and u believe they exist. the bible says, god is with you at all times. u feel his precense always. even when u are in bad times, u think god/jesus isnt there, all u have to do is pray, and he picks u up off your feet. his precense is forever with you. ever heard of the holy spirit??

god, very much so interferes with daily life. but, god loves us so much, that he gave us a will. to follow him, or not to follow him. its your choice. there are consequenes for both. reward or punishment. and each consequence is eternal.

why? why would god send someone to hell in torment? what kind of loving god is that? many people ask these questions. does a judge slam his hammer down, and say to a convicted murderer, since i love u so much, i will forgive you. no, what kind of judge would that be?? people would become outraged. that is why there is a heaven and hell. a reward or punishment, liken it to prison and paradise.

why is it eternal? why not send those judged people to hell for a short time, then take them out?? many people ask this. sin is eternal disobedience. god is eternal, so when u disobey his eternal will, u have committed an eternal sin. so, if you dont care about your sin, u will be judged on judgement day, just like a judge in court would do. punishment or reward are the two options. and they last for eternity, because god IS eternity. if god was mortal, maybe it would be different...

but since, most of u dont even believe what the bible says, deregard the wisdom ive just typed out, and believe whatever you want.

but, again i challenge u, ask me any question, and ill find a bible passage pertaining to it.

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occrider, how are those passages contradictions. they are not. this is old testament law. where people were put to death for sins. u know why?? because jesus had not died on the cross. that is why there was many jewish laws that held execution as punishment for a sin. after jesus came, this law of moses the jews held, of execution for sin, very soon began to die out, and is nonexistant today.

but again, show me the contradictions...
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nic01445, these might be the passages u are referring to.

Genesis 1:
3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning-the first day.
6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning-the second day.
9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so.
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there is symbolism here that if u think logically, u can deduce what is the background message. and that is, god is so great, so mighty, so powerful, that he can simply speak something into existance. that is the power of god. the power of his very words can bring green grass from desolate deserts, new suns to form, the animals that inhabit this earth. and his simple words here...

Genesis 1:
26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [2] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

came with this result...

27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

the power that is god here, is simple words. he speaks, his will is enforced.

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** In light of all that has been said, I believe that we came upon in two different manners. As Heinz...and others have stated, I believe God did create the earth and that we some how evolved with survivial of the fitess(darwin) through the generations. Yet, I also have a change of mind since everything that has been studied by philosophers and so on, that we evolved from the "big bang" or what have you call it. I might contradict my self somewhat in this response so bear with me. Out of the choices it seems rational that either one or two are acceptable. Though, this, and all threads are really just hot-air, waste of breath, because we have no factional truth that any of this occured. No one knows for sure how we evolved here. All we know is that from the Bible and references and philosophies from others, that we evolved here from either of those ways. Even though the cookie monster is large enough to produce mankind, that is much undoubful.

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Originally posted by Heinz there is symbolism here that if u think logically, u can deduce what is the background message. and that is, god is so great, so mighty, so powerful, that he can simply speak something into existance. that is the power of god. the power of his very words can bring green grass from desolate deserts, new suns to form, the animals that inhabit this earth. and his simple words here... Genesis 1: 26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [2] and over all the creatures that move along the ground." came with this result... 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. the power that is god here, is simple words. he speaks, his will is enforced.

so you would agree that the bible is symbolic? or would you say that it should be accepted as literal?

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Originally posted by Heinz

I'm gonna end this line of reasoning and make it reeeeeeeeeeeeeally simple.

Simply stated, use of the bible as a "source" requires circular reasoning to accept (God's existence is proven by the bible; the bible is a valid source because it is the word of God. petitio principii, or begging the question, http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/begging.htm). Therefore, simply stated, the Bible (New testament or Old) is simply unacceptable as a factual source.

Honestly, I think we need to set some ground rules with these debates, the first of which being that quotes from the bible cannot be used to support an argument. If you wish to use bible quotes, then you must first establish the bible as a legitimate secular factual source or historical document, which means you must do so WITHOUT making reference to God, otherwise you fall into circular reasoning again and your proof is invalid.

I realize that this probably invalidates about 90% of Heinz's posts, but unfortunately, a logical argument requires sources with established credibility, which is a FAR CRY from a source with millions of contradictions! If you believe the bible is factual, you must establish this to the satisfaction of the skeptics. If you believe it is symbolic, than its use is irrelevant to begin with.

I think from this point on, I will no longer reply to any arguments from Heinz or anyone else that make use of bible quotes as proof, until and unless he can firmly establish the bible as a credible source; I urge everyone else to do the same so threads don't get innundated with pointless arguments based on nonsensical lines of reasoning.

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** I know I'm going to get flammed on really bad now, but first amendment states that we have the freedom os speech. I understand that you don't care about what Heinz says, but the constituion states that ( which i assume you know.) Also, talking about religion and government, is really something you don't do in public because, there is no right or wrong answer....it's just perspectives, thoughts, comments, bias, etc....

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Originally posted by trancepixie17 ** I know I'm going to get flammed on really bad now, but first amendment states that we have the freedom os speech. I understand that you don't care about what Heinz says, but the constituion states that ( which i assume you know.) Also, talking about religion and government, is really something you don't do in public because, there is no right or wrong answer....it's just perspectives, thoughts, comments, bias, etc....

...and Diginut uses his freedom of speach to bash the bible. Who cares? Is Diginut forcefully stopping Heinz from posting? No. So who cares?