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Like teasing a coiled cobra, the fellas down at Takeout Marketing decided that the best way to promote Tiesto's new DVD was to send me a copy for a big, glorying review that they could use for....ummmm....press releases or something. Smooth move, guys. You get exactly what you deserve.

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Lol this guy has no fucken clue whats so ever... how stupid was it to actually post this topic on a serious note?

He thinks concert was 3hrs long, says that Tiesto only does thirty seconds of actual DJing every five minutes or something like that... prolly also thinks that thats real mixing on the dvd (becuase they edited the 8hr concert set into 3hr dvd and did cuts into different songs sharply without mixing most of the time), thinks Tiesto just plays 2-3 tracks in the row (which aren't even in the row half the time, but obviously his ears are so stuffed up with his own shit he couldn't tell otherwise) and then stops for a live performance.

Sadly this tool thinks that whole "set has been carefully crafted together and planned beforehand", thinks that the live performers like Kane "lip-synch solemnly through their lyrics".

Then he goes on to give shit to the legendry Beatles, Rock in general and says that Dance music is becoming shit just like Rock.

What a tool...

Actually, i agree with everything he said basically.

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Originally posted by TiksA He thinks concert was 3hrs long, says that Tiesto only does thirty seconds of actual DJing every five minutes or something like that...

It only takes about that long to beatmatch. Then again, maybe Tiesto does take a bit more time for that...

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prolly also thinks that thats real mixing on the dvd (becuase they edited the 8hr concert set into 3hr dvd and did cuts into different songs sharply without mixing most of the time), thinks Tiesto just plays 2-3 tracks in the row (which aren't even in the row half the time, but obviously his ears are so stuffed up with his own shit he couldn't tell otherwise) and then stops for a live performance.

None of that is true, and indicates that you're making assumptions just to justify yourself. The only break in mixing that Ishkur ever cites is for the live performances, and he's correct about that.

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Sadly this tool thinks that whole "set has been carefully crafted together and planned beforehand"

Uh, it was. The very fact that there is a DVD indicates that it was planned out and crafted with commerical intents. I think you could pretty much ask Tiesto and get the same answer.

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Then he goes on to give shit to the legendry Beatles, Rock in general and says that Dance music is becoming shit just like Rock.

And he's incorrect where? All I see is you taking his comments wildly out of context, as if you simply skimmed with an assumption of what was being written already in mind.

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What a tool...

I find this a supremely ironic comment.

Is it really that difficult for people to use their minds just a tiny bit before smashing out words on a keyboard? Sheesh.

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Originally posted by Cobalt It only takes about that long to beatmatch. Then again, maybe Tiesto does take a bit more time for that...

If it takes that long to beatmatch, then i think that explains his mixing skills

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Originally posted by Cobalt It only takes about that long to beatmatch. Then again, maybe Tiesto does take a bit more time for that... None of that is true, and indicates that you're making assumptions just to justify yourself. The only break in mixing that Ishkur ever cites is for the live performances, and he's correct about that. Uh, it was. The very fact that there is a DVD indicates that it was planned out and crafted with commerical intents. I think you could pretty much ask Tiesto and get the same answer. And he's incorrect where? All I see is you taking his comments wildly out of context, as if you simply skimmed with an assumption of what was being written already in mind. I find this a supremely ironic comment. Is it really that difficult for people to use their minds just a tiny bit before smashing out words on a keyboard? Sheesh.

*insert owned image*

but taking your last sentance. if you read the part about tiesto immense power over people, well it is shown in this thread really... hehe

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Probably the most insulting moment of the intermissions, however, is the Africa sideshow. It features a real band playing real instruments, with drums, congas, bass guitars and soul singers, reflecting the earthy, organic tribal atmosphere of African culture, but half of the sound is completely killed off. Next to the booming trance music of Tiesto, with its mammoth subs and surround sound systems, the Africa performance sounds positively lame. I'm not sure if that's a deliberate affront to the band or not, but it seems as if the concert organizers want to make the statement that live music can't sound as good as pre-recorded music. Or maybe they do not want actual musicians outshining Tiesto in his element. At any rate, the way the levels are set forced me to turn up the volume in order to hear the band. Is this a DVD flaw, or is Tiesto the only thing that matters here?

I loved that bit!

I don't want to join in on your argument about whether Tiesto is good or he sucks, but i thought that the Africa intermission and then the following songs sounded awesome.

Anyone agree with me?

yes the dvd was an abomination, but let us not forget what the man has done for us. so what, he sold out the scene and it is a tragedy, but it was bound to happen, but the music that he has made definately made my life better and lots of other people too. so dont include the dvd as one of your favs. just appreciate he goodness he had given us before his fall.

Sigh, dont u guys have anything better to do. It was a great party and the people who were there had the time of their lives. What else matters.

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Originally posted by Cobalt It only takes about that long to beatmatch.

Just to beatmatch yeah, but since when was mixing all about beatmatching?

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Uh, it was. The very fact that there is a DVD indicates that it was planned out and crafted with commerical intents. I think you could pretty much ask Tiesto and get the same answer.

Of course it was crafted and planned out with commercial intents, every event is. That's not the point. The point was that Ishkur obviously hasn't done his research since a) all the live PAs were NOT lip-synched (which we got horrendously aware of after Andain's PA and like mentioned after Dinand Westerhoeff) and b) the actual set Tiesto mixed was not planned according to the DVD, since the actual tracks and structure of a set always depend on the crowd you are playing for.

The rest of Ishkur's article is pretty much another slew of opinions and assumptions in order to piss people off and display more hatred for trance, which he manages just fine. I do however agree on the fact that TiC is the definite evidence of Tiesto's popstar status and how he ruthlessly exploits it for money, while his DJing efforts and artistic integrity is left to suffer for it.

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