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Originally posted by occrider Sigh ... ok look, the unemployment figure is designed to capture those who WANT to look for work and those who NEED to look for work. If you're a daddy's rich kid who spends 10 minutes a year looking for a job then you're not on the unemployment report because that would be a statistical anomoly. Poverty is largely relevant becuase that is one of the MAJOR reasons most people even work! For christ's sake I'm going to reiterate myself here ... it doesn't matter if you're filthy rich or filthy poor, as long as you WANT a job, which is evident by you LOOKING for a job, you're included on the unemployment report. If you're in a situation such that you don't even care to look for a job than you're an irrelevant statistic that should not be included even in the event that the job market is doing well. But PLEASE tell me how the unemployment report should be revised to provide an effective government statistic. But hey ... Canada's unemployment rate is conducted in a similar manner, at 7.4% just THINK of how many there are not counted who are looking for work!!! Nice to know my economics degree doesn't count as education

There is no way to capture every person who wants or needs to look for work without surveying every single unemployed person in the country. The government doesn't do that. The unemployment rate is based on the number of people who have filed for unemployment. That is the only solid figure that our government can accurately base the rate upon without guessing. This will not include the 16 year old who is trying to get work (in "manufacturing" lol) at McDonalds. Whether he needs it or not. Since most of unemployment is made up of people who have quit or have been laid off for reasons beyond their control, (downsizing, budget cuts etc...) people who have been fired are not included as well. It also won't include unemployed people who are trying to start their own businesses. The government can't calculate your wanting or needing a job telepathically. And they wont be able to know whether you're even trying to find a job or not. You have to be registered as unemployed to be counted in the rate.

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orrcrider, cal... do you two realise that you guys are saying the exact same shit? yet you still manage to find a debate

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Originally posted by smokeape So anyone unemployed out here on the post and living in the US? If you're not employed say so and state your reasons why you are not. I do not want to hear about derelicts on a stret corner or someone the poster is not remotely related to. If one of our posters is not employed we can possibly help.

Let's be fair here, to pay for internet access, most of the regular posters here are going to be holding down a job or at least studying.

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Originally posted by Ondrayce There is no way to capture every person who wants or needs to look for work without surveying every single unemployed person in the country. The government doesn't do that. The unemployment rate is based on the number of people who have filed for unemployment. That is the only solid figure that our government can accurately base the rate upon without guessing. This will not include the 16 year old who is trying to get work (in "manufacturing" lol) at McDonalds. Whether he needs it or not. Since most of unemployment is made up of people who have quit or have been laid off for reasons beyond their control, (downsizing, budget cuts etc...) people who have been fired are not included as well. It also won't include unemployed people who are trying to start their own businesses. The government can't calculate your wanting or needing a job telepathically. And they wont be able to know whether you're even trying to find a job or not. You have to be registered as unemployed to be counted in the rate.

No I posted the bls survey methods. It does NOT merely rely upon those who have filed for UI. The purpose of the household survey is designed to capture those who either do not file for UI or those who have had their benefits expire (or those who have been fired). You must be thinking of the payroll survey. THere are TWO determinants of the unemployment rate.

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Originally posted by Q5echo 5.6% damn staggering number I guaranty 2.3% aren't even looking for a job! This economy has never turn on a dime, but it is turning. Kerry will save this country by turning down the nomination. He's not the one we need in office and most intelligent people know this. ...And Hooknife, if GB lied to you about WMD's then the entire world lied to you. Come to think of it more people have lied to you than you care to know. Don't get sucked in to economic projections too much. Don't get sucked in to a liberal agenda too much either.

I think you miss the point of my above remarks. What I was trying to say was Mr. Bush has told the American public what they want to hear to get whatever he needs at the time he needs it and then never produces what he promises. WTF are you talking about "Don't get sucked in to a liberal agenda too much, I say you should open your eyes.

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Originally posted by hooknife What I was trying to say was Mr. Bush has told the American public what they want to hear to get whatever he needs at the time he needs it and then never produces what he promises.

Sorry to interject, but how is that different from any other politician on the face of the planet?

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Sorry to interject, but how is that different from any other politician on the face of the planet?

He is my president and its my responsibility to keep mine in check.

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Originally posted by hooknife He is my president and its my responsibility to keep mine in check.

Okay, good luck. I hope Kerry fulfills all of his promises for you.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Okay, good luck. I hope Kerry fulfills all of his promises for you.

So let me understand you, you are being lied to about various issues but that’s just fine with you? Your attitude is well every government lies and that includes the George Bush so why even bother making a change. Hmmmmmm, sounds kind of weird to me.

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Originally posted by hooknife So let me understand you, you are being lied to about various issues but that’s just fine with you? Your attitude is well every government lies and that includes the George Bush so why even bother making a change. Hmmmmmm, sounds kind of weird to me.

You can call me defeatest, but this is the way politics have been done since Roman times and before. Machiavelli had it right. Politics and politicians use lies and manipulation to achieve their goals, while also attempting to reach the goals of thier constituents. There are some things, like jobs, happiness or economic growth that a politician can promise, but have very little affect over.

As a libertarian, the only two things I really care about are personal freedoms and smaller government intrusion, none of which I think Bush has done a particuarly good job with. However, I don't think Kerry would do any better, as he still has yet to establish any kind of original platform or concrete means of change other than to say he will do the opposite of what Bush is doing...whatever that means.

I see no reason to "change horses midstream" since the only reason I would be voting for Kerry is that he is not Bush. Since I do not see any major differences in the two, I see no reason to vote against him due his empty political promises that have been made by other politicans for millenia.

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Originally posted by hooknife So let me understand you, you are being lied to about various issues but that’s just fine with you? Your attitude is well every government lies and that includes the George Bush so why even bother making a change. Hmmmmmm, sounds kind of weird to me.

It all comes down to the lesser of 2 evils.

GW is an Idiot- I dont know if Kerry is much better but I
think he would at least shift the focus back to fixing our fucked up
country a tad more.

GW has done so much BS - How much worse could Kerry do?
not much.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono You can call me defeatest, but this is the way politics have been done since Roman times and before. Machiavelli had it right. Politics and politicians use lies and manipulation to achieve their goals, while also attempting to reach the goals of thier constituents. There are some things, like jobs, happiness or economic growth that a politician can promise, but have very little affect over. As a libertarian, the only two things I really care about are personal freedoms and smaller government intrusion, none of which I think Bush has done a particuarly good job with. However, I don't think Kerry would do any better, as he still has yet to establish any kind of original platform or concrete means of change other than to say he will do the opposite of what Bush is doing...whatever that means. I see no reason to "change horses midstream" since the only reason I would be voting for Kerry is that he is not Bush. Since I do not see any major differences in the two, I see no reason to vote against him due his empty political promises that have been made by other politicans for millenia.

So the attitude is this, Bush sucks, you and I both know it, BUT its a known quantity so good or bad lets just keep him?! Its like I said in my above remarks....sounds kind of weird to me.

Please don’t misunderstand me, its not that I think Kerry is some great guy that’s not going to do me or the world wrong I just see Kerry as the lesser of 2 evils. Bush has not done a very good job and maybe someone else will.

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