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Originally posted by DaveSZ I believe in religious freedom, the First Amendment, and the right of scientists to practice their science unfettered by religious extremism executed by a supposedly non-partial government. Why do you interpret that as a grudge against Christians? That’s a serious flaw in your logic dear.

As far as I've seen,you have nothing good to say about Christians.

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I do get upset with some Fundamentalists sometimes for their seeming blindness to anything other than the literal interpretation of their chosen holy book.

What's the difference between a Christian Fundamentalists, and a humanist?

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We’ve seen what happens when these people get into power

Countries like America are born. (AKA George Washington,Thomas Jefferson,James Mason..Etc)

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and you only need look at Iran to see an example of what I’m talking about. This isn’t Iran, this is America Nellie.

Read the above.

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My thoughts are that the while Jesus' words can be useful in shaping a model of morality for oneself, many of the organizations that have sprouted up proclaiming to follow his words have strayed woefully from those words. Many Christian Fundamentalist preachers, and the Vatican hierarchy, I find are some of the most bigoted, anti-human individuals imaginable.

Anti-Human? o.O they are against themselves?

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Originally posted by igottaknow off topic: Agreed, most forums don't allow quoting an entire article its annoying and it's a copyright violation. Mod if you're out there you might want to consider limiting posts to only links and brief quotes when necessary.

Stop pretending your a lawyer

(I think you've been long enough with us now to take a joke)

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on topic: we are up to our armpits in "wars". This word has been so abused of late it has little meaning left. What's next, "War on Education"?

Hmm... why not just a war on Syria like the Neocons wanted? It will strengthen the real meaning of the word "War" too.. That should be reason enough



As for religious fundies and religion in general.
I see it this way religion = philosophy = politics.

In essense they are all view points, they are all moralities, and they can all either be abused to absurdity or can achieve great things.

Having no religion is just as much a religion as any other religion. I think philosophy, religion, and politics will always be inseperable because when you come down to it they are all the same - our opinion.

Its the "better than thou" attitude that scares me. The person that thinks his opinion is more correct than any other scares me. But I guess I'm a hypocrite also in this regard because I don't believe in moral realitivism.

Hmm I better find away to work this out.. don't wanna be labeled a hypocrite now

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 What's the difference between a Christian Fundamentalists, and a humanist?

My god, you aren't serious are you?

Obviously you know what fundamentalist Christianity is, because you yourself are a fundamentalist Christian. It seems to me that you don't really know what humanism is though, so reading the following summary might help: What is secular humanism?. Humanism is everything Christian fundamentalism isn't.

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Originally posted by arctic My god, you aren't serious are you? Obviously you know what fundamentalist Christianity is, because you yourself are a fundamentalist Christian. It seems to me that you don't really know what humanism is though, so reading the following summary might help: What is secular humanism?.

Dude,I know what humanism is. I was asking if Dave knew. I'm studying socialism,humanism,communism,and all that lovely stuff in history right now.

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Humanism is everything Christian fundamentalism isn't.

Oh,So you are saying you are Anti-Christian?
The US Supreme court declared humanism a religion. So if you want to make humanism official by banning all other religions, then you are violating the establishment clause of the US constitution yourself.

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 Oh,So you are saying you are Anti-Christian? The US Supreme court declared humanism a religion. So if you want to make humanism official by banning all other religions, then you are violating the establishment clause of the US constitution yourself.

Not this idiotic argument again. Go to the dictionary. Look up religion. Then contrast it with the key precepts and beliefs of secular humanism.

Further to that, the supreme court did not declare humanism to be a religion. http://www.secularhumanism.org/libr...ry_18_1.01.html deals with this particular lie (amongst others).

Define anti-Christian. I don't like Christianity because I believe it to be objectively false, and I think it advocates discrimination and intolerance. If that makes me an anti-Christian, so be it. And whoever said that they wanted to ban religion? What on earth are you on about?

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