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Originally posted by TranceKitten P.S>Hey when are you comming out again Mako?? haven't seen you in a while

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there is a special transport unit that we have to carry him in to bring him over which costs alotta money. So we only do it on really special events like trance invasions or christmas parties.

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Originally posted by dEsidEL Like EDM will go mainstream ..

EDM IS mainstream. I don't really think that "underground" EDM really exists anymore with the advent of the internet. It is possible to find almost anything if you look hard enough these days.

Believe it or not, Electronic Dance Music is now worth millions of dollars (if not billions) in CD sales, vinyl sales, huge dance parties, dance music TV stations, internet radio, advertisements, club nights, club memberships etc etc.

Many could argue that the real "underground" has ceased to exist. In this age of global networks and communication, largely facilitated through the internet, new releases, tracklists, photos from events, mp3s, live sets etc are available on the internet almost immediately after they happen/become available.

Tiesto, Oakenfold, Armin, Fat Boy Slim, Groove Armada, Basement Jaxx, Roger Sanchez, Daft Punk, The Prodigy, Ferry Corsten, Carl Cox, Junior Jack, Moby..........the list goes on.........are all global star who probably earn millions through record labels, releases, DJ gigs, CD sales and merchandise. Is this really underground?

When we see ads on TV with drum n' bass in the background, or funky house tunes playing in a clothes shop, can't you see that EDM is not underground any more. When Coca Cola or Pepsi or Mitsubishi or any other huge global corporation is using dance music for advertisements, then EDM is exposed to millions, it has mainstream exposure. I can't really speak for the "underground" of the old days, because i was far too young to experience it, but it seems to me like back then, there were no tracklists, mp3s, mix albums, huge dance parties, radio broadcasts etc.......mix tapes and raves were largely what people had to go on to get their fix of EDM.

However, today there is a wealth of information about artists, tracklists, events, live sets, photos from events, releases, etc etc.

Of course, there are different degrees of "mainstream" and different degrees of "underground". There are hundreds pf thousands of bedroom DJs and producers out there who are unheard of and who are practising and striving to create and play dance music. Some of these may make demos, or get gigs through friends, or make mixes for people to download on the internet. Some people might be lucky enough to get gigs in clubs, or cafes, or universities, or house parties, or warehouse parties, or raves or wherever else. Some of these may be good enough or popular enough to continue their careers in DJing or producing into clubs etc. And so it continues right up to the Armin Van Buurens and the DJ Tiestos and the Paul Oakenfolds, the "superstar DJs". Then there are also the people who produce music, who might get signed to a label.......


Basically, my main point is that, with the increasing level and sophistication of modern technology, Electronic Dance Music can no longer be considered "underground" because of its exposure and (partial) acceptance around the world. Whether EDM is mainstream is "mainstream" is a contentious point, but i definitely do not think that EDM is underground any more.


- Vigilante

Well, this has actualyl made me think about why I like trance and all the other styles of EDM i Love. After thinking about it, i Love it cause I feel a sort of sense of rebellion listening to music that is udnerground and being prud of the fact that there is no cheezy cliches on the vinyl or TV commercial ads with Tony monaco telling me that its that bomb. I would not listen to trance or underground music if it was mainstream because it would lose its appeal to me. Because then Iw ould have cheezy radio DJs telling me the song is great and just them talking about it would make me NOT want to listen to it. That is probably why some of the stuff on z103.5 i liek until Tony monaco starts talking in the middle of the song or soemthing. I dunno. But it just turns me off.

However, If you picked the right radio DJs to play this stuff that don;t sound cheezy and advertise the music right and market it properly (which may not happen due to greed) then it could be possible to still have the people apealed to it (once listening to the underground).

But in my heart. I don;t think I would not stop listening to it if it was mainstream but I would not Love it as much as I do now.

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Ofcourse I will still listen to it. currently I listen to whatever is pleasing to my ears. Whether its hiphop/R&B/ambient/classical/hindi etc. So it shouldn't make a difference if Trance goes mainstream.

I listen to trance, cause it gives me something to do, as well as it being beautiful music.

I can engulf myself in it, spend my time reading about it, and downloading it. I like putting in the extra effort it takes to listen to trance. If it became mainstream, my hobby would be gone.

It would be everywhere, and obviously the quality woud degrade. Then it wouldnt be fun anymore. I like that there is no 'image' or fashion in trance, there are hardly even 'trend' setters. and i love that. the music shapes my ideas, beliefs, thoughts and feelings, not the people behind the music/business.

i want to keep it this way.

but to answer the question, i would probably listen to it, but try to stay as underground as possible

Having a wider community of trance producers would give the music some much needed influence from other genres. It seems that trance has become very isolated, and its creativity has suffered. I'm not talking about cheesy shit like bagpipes trance like I've heard, but there is so much variety out there that would add to trance.

The classical roots of trance has made for some kick-ass tunes, especially with ones like Pitcher - Strike! from years back. Influences from industrial or alternative rock would be cool too.

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Originally posted by Vigilante EDM IS mainstream. I don't really think that "underground" EDM really exists anymore with the advent of the internet. It is possible to find almost anything if you look hard enough these days.

not by my definition. at the same token it's possible to find any type of music on the internet no matter how obscure. i just believe that as long as the general public still refers to every type of EDM as being "techno" then it's still far from mainstream in my eyes..

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Originally posted by dEsidEL not by my definition. at the same token it's possible to find any type of music on the internet no matter how obscure. i just believe that as long as the general public still refers to every type of EDM as being "techno" then it's still far from mainstream in my eyes..

well at least they know something of that sort exists?

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Originally posted by Provitex well at least they know something of that sort exists?

yeah so does noise!

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But trance music would not be the same if it was mainstream. (vocals, retarded beats, samples)

If it remains the same then hell ya.

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they know it exists because every single clothing store in the city. The PATH stores play some bullshit beats.... its usually not even tracks.....its just beats, im not kidding, pay attention to it , its crazy marketing at its worst probley....... my job involves walking around the path for 4 hours a day and the only decent track ive ever heard was coming out of second cup in union station "true love never dies vs. airwave" followed up by some cheesy eurotrash lol.

edit.... acually theres one digital editing store or something that bangs out some hard house beats in the sunlife centre hallway.