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Originally posted by Shakka Perhaps these people fear change.

Or it could be that every time they try and institute change they end up having their cities gassed by Saddam, their towns shelled by the Syrians, the Jordanian army sent out to quash the activists, Iranian secret police sent out to arrest student activists, Egyptian secret police sent out to torture and imprison reformists, Taliban Ministry of vice officials out to shoot women in their soccer arena... etc etc etc...

Personally, if Bush decided to wipe out Brooklyn because New Yorkers were protesting the war, I think I would pretty quickly stop protesting.

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Originally posted by mps242 Or it could be that every time they try and institute change they end up having their cities gassed by Saddam, their towns shelled by the Syrians, the Jordanian army sent out to quash the activists, Iranian secret police sent out to arrest student activists, Egyptian secret police sent out to torture and imprison reformists, Taliban Ministry of vice officials out to shoot women in their soccer arena... etc etc etc... Personally, if Bush decided to wipe out Brooklyn because New Yorkers were protesting the war, I think I would pretty quickly stop protesting.

Well if you were kidnapping and holding hostage and brutally murdering the very people who are trying to help improve your living conditions, then yeah.

Turns out they killed the Italian with a shot to the back of the neck with a pistol. I suppose that's far less brutal/painful than I had imagined it being. I guess that will be at least some comfort to the poor guy's family.

im sure if America were under brutal occupation, war, and sanctions for many years, white people would be reacting the same way.

You people can sit your comfy asses in your sweet picket fenced american neighborhoods, go to school and get an education without worrying about soldiers from an occupation army fighting insurgents that are against them in your town.

Its sad that you people cannot look behind the actual act and see why these people may be commiting these disgusting blackmail tactics.

Its so easy for you people to call them sub-human and criticise their acts (which i condemn) yet fail to recognize how your tax dollars are feeding the military that is in their faces everyday.

These people are pissed off. They care no more for human life after what your government and the leader that was supported by your government for many years has done to their mentality. They now have to unleash this anger, frustration and insanity out on people. This is WAR... people DIE.. like so many of you pro-war morons have mentioned numerous times.

You all make it look as though it is inherently running in their blood to visciously murder people when they are angry. Its not that simple boys and girls.

And i will say it again... YOUR GOVENRMENT HAS MADE THIS ENEMY!

To say that they were "there" and hibernating until the moment was right is as ridiculous as hearing the brainless responses bush gave last night. But bush is inherently stupid and evil... it runs in his blood.. just look at his dad

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Americans wouldnt let our country get to that shit state in the first place is the point. In fact, we are Americans because we refused to be part of a government we disagreed with.
That and Georgia was a penal colony or something...

anyways.


Id rather be under US occupation than anyone else in the world. Cept maybe the french, cuz I KNOW they wouldnt do anything.

When you let, LET, your country get to that messed up of a state, YOU DONT GET TO BITCH when someone pulls your nuts out of the fire with a pair of pliers. That whole area is a sink of radical fanaticism and outdated ideologies. It needs a good airing.

on a smaller scale:

Ive gotten my ass kicked for some stuff before. Three guys ganged up, kicked my ass. I needed it. I said some stuff I shouldnt have. I am intelligent enough to realize that I messed up and I got the wrath.

I just cant believe these people arent saying "yeah, we totally screwed up our nations for decades, thanks for handing us our asses back on a silver platter, you guys rock"

Sometimes you need a good ass-kicking, and it takes a man to admit it.

"it takes a big man to cry, but it takes an even bigger man to laugh at that man"

i would nit pick at your responses becuase you have atotally different perception of what america is actually there for,, but i would be going in circles with self-righteous arguments like yours.

In any event, you must understand that you didnt make anything better there. Its only a different type of chaos and fear that the whole populace fears now.

Before it was one man murdering for power, now its everyone murdering for power.

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Originally posted by Orbax Americans wouldnt let our country get to that shit state in the first place is the point. In fact, we are Americans because we refused to be part of a government we disagreed with. That and Georgia was a penal colony or something... anyways. Id rather be under US occupation than anyone else in the world. Cept maybe the french, cuz I KNOW they wouldnt do anything. When you let, LET, your country get to that messed up of a state, YOU DONT GET TO BITCH when someone pulls your nuts out of the fire with a pair of pliers. That whole area is a sink of radical fanaticism and outdated ideologies. It needs a good airing. on a smaller scale: Ive gotten my ass kicked for some stuff before. Three guys ganged up, kicked my ass. I needed it. I said some stuff I shouldnt have. I am intelligent enough to realize that I messed up and I got the wrath. I just cant believe these people arent saying "yeah, we totally screwed up our nations for decades, thanks for handing us our asses back on a silver platter, you guys rock" Sometimes you need a good ass-kicking, and it takes a man to admit it. "it takes a big man to cry, but it takes an even bigger man to laugh at that man"

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Before it was one man murdering for power, now its everyone murdering for power.

No.
It's the murderers murdering for power.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King i would nit pick at your responses becuase you have atotally different perception of what america is actually there for,, but i would be going in circles with self-righteous arguments like yours. In any event, you must understand that you didnt make anything better there. Its only a different type of chaos and fear that the whole populace fears now. Before it was one man murdering for power, now its everyone murdering for power.

You call me Self-righteous, I call you a bitter anarchist, we're even, and name calling gets us nowhere

Lets think of it this way. Something there HAD TO CHANGE. Someone HAD TO facilitate that change. It wasnt gonna be them. Thats been proven by thousands of years of stagnation. Who then. What outside force would you choose. The UN wasnt gonna do anything, so dont even mention them.

the EU? Yeah...they are known for helping out.

Africa then...oh wait.

ok the Eastern Bloc!

ohhh...noo....

Canada? Mexico? South or Central America?

THE CHINESE?!??!?!


Who would you choose to get in there and get dirty? K, didnt work out so well. Thats 20/20 hindsight.

Who else would have gone there. Who else would have tried. Who who who who who.

^^^^ Apparently you have bought into the "new justification" for invading Iraq. Removing Saddam and pulling the Iraqis "nuts out of the fire" was never the objective of the Bush administration nor Blair. Their purpose was to rid Saddam of his WMD.
Now that we see that no WMD can be found in Iraq, the warmongers are obliged to find another excuse to sell to their voting public. Unfortunately not everyone is intelligent enough to see through the manipulation...

For your comment about the US doing the dirty work and the EU doing nothing - here's how it works: The US bombs some country back to the stone ages, and the rest of the world then spends resources over the next decade for providing peace keepers, diplomacy, and money for rebuilding. And unlike the US we do not condition our help on contracts for national companies.

I cannot fathom why you ordinary Americans have this need to defend the Iraq war. Admit that your government screwed up. Misled you. Abused its allies. Your not your government.

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Originally posted by Orbax You call me Self-righteous, I call you a bitter anarchist, we're even, and name calling gets us nowhere Lets think of it this way. Something there HAD TO CHANGE. Someone HAD TO facilitate that change. It wasnt gonna be them. Thats been proven by thousands of years of stagnation. Who then. What outside force would you choose. The UN wasnt gonna do anything, so dont even mention them. the EU? Yeah...they are known for helping out. Africa then...oh wait. ok the Eastern Bloc! ohhh...noo.... Canada? Mexico? South or Central America? THE CHINESE?!??!?! Who would you choose to get in there and get dirty? K, didnt work out so well. Thats 20/20 hindsight. Who else would have gone there. Who else would have tried. Who who who who who.

Who should have done this????

THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ... with the help of funding to miliatry coups like the US has done many times.

There are far worse places that need to be "liberated"

Tranceholic is right... pro war mongerers are switching the deabte from "he was a threat" to "he was evil" and someone HAD to remove him.

Why dont you attack the man who was telling you he had weapons (north Korea)??? That leader is equal, if not worse than saddam.

Why not "FACILITATE" your change on the whole world for not wanting to live like you americans.

you cannot FORCE democracy on a population that has been scarred by oppression, sanctions, and fear. They simply cannot adapt so fast to this concept.

LOL... you actually think what you are doing should be applauded??????

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