He wanted my version of the history, so I gave it to him. I never mentioned what Marshall Jefferson ate for breakfast, you are just mad that I slated your pos guide. He wanted a history, so he got it. He can do what he wants with what I wrote, Levan and Hardy should be mentioned because they pushed music. You want to talk acid house, you forget to mention Larry Heard aka Mr.Fingers who really made the landmark track.

you want to do a history, do it this way

-1970's gay kids go to clubs to hang out
-Larry Levan is playing disco and garage
-Frankie Knuckles = number 2 under Levan
-Levan stays in NYC
-Frankie goes to Chicago and plays at the wareHOUSE (which gave house the name)
-His second in command goes to another club and they push the genre
-Ron Hardy influences the chicago house pioneers
-At the same time, Atkins and a vietnam vet are making music under cybotron (earlier techno)
-May, Saunderson and Atkins decide in 1985 to call their music TECHNO and push it (leading people like dave clarke and co. to take up techno music) i.e the growth of techno
-Chicago's house scene grows immensely in the mid 80's

then you can talk about the growth of acid house in the UK

hardcore splitting into all the genres

history is complete (forget the current stuff)....you are doing the history.

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Originally posted by Lira *sits and takes notes* A discussion on history of EDM between Ishkur and tta should be very intersting, to say the least I'll add my 2 cents later

Why would it be interesting? We essentially agree and regurgitate the same stuff. Since neither of us was actually there, we get our history from books, websites, and music. Probably the exact same books, websites, and music....so obviously our histories are going to be the same--in some cases, word for word.

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Originally posted by torontotrance I never mentioned what Marshall Jefferson ate for breakfast

It's called a joke, numbnutz. You know, a humour thing? I was pointing out the inanity of your masturbatory drivel in supplying him with superfluous info. Sheesh.

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Originally posted by torontotrance you are just mad that I slated your pos guide.

OMG, you slated my music guide?! NO ONE HAS EVER DONE THAT BEFORE. AMAZING. You are truly unique.

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Originally posted by torontotrance You want to talk acid house, you forget to mention Larry Heard aka Mr.Fingers who really made the landmark track.

I was not aware that Mr. Heard was a member of Phuture. You should email Discogs and tell them that.

i've noticed that the posts started gettting more intelluctual with better facts rather than just randome 2000+ dj names.

anyhow i won't say much since there are links posted. however, i just want u not to forget mentioning that it evolved from electro-pop in the 80s (u know the disco music ). then u have to mention the french producer jean michelle jarre (check for spelling). he made a revolution in the EDM with tracks like reovolution, oxygen . . etc. we're talking 80s here btw

then later on when u reach the 90s u can start mentioning oakie, PvD and so on

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Oakenfold should be mentioned about the acid house because he helped push that as well as many other

now to ishkur

you nimrod...I never said that phuture was Larry Heard.

if you read what I wrote, which I doubt you did

I said Larry Heard was responsible under the Mr.Fingers alias for pushing acid house and should be mentioned in the same breath as Pierre and the others.

and the landmark track in my view was washing machine by Mr.Fingers.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Why would it be interesting? We essentially agree and regurgitate the same stuff. Since neither of us was actually there, we get our history from books, websites, and music. Probably the exact same books, websites, and music....so obviously our histories are going to be the same--in some cases, word for word.

I thought you guys were gonna bring stuff up, remember things you know, exchange point of views on the more subjecitve stuff... you guys know a lot of things (where the heck is Yaletrance!? he also enjoys this sort of discussion), so I thought it would be a thread with loads of info. In fact, it's got some interesting reading already.

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Originally posted by Lira (where the heck is Yaletrance!? he also enjoys this sort of discussion)

Heh, I stayed away from this thread because I dislike the original poster (we had a discussion about the history of reggaeton-ie. Spanish Caribbean dancehall reggae) and didn't want to help him. :

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Originally posted by Ishkur dave seaman no deep dish no sasha no digweed no james zabiela no james holden no steve lawler no danny howells no armin van buuren no tiesto no eddie halliwell no judge jules no paul van dyk hmmm. Maybe, if time permits. sven vath yes. ritchie hawtin perhaps. Must include Plus-8 if you're going to talk about techno's second wave, after all. frank lorber no erick morillo no satoshi tomiie no anthony pappa no adam freeland no hybrid no Not even sure what half of these guys are here for. They're decent producers/DJs, sure, and some of them are excessively popular, but they aren't innovators, groundbreakers and rule-changers of their particular fields. Keep that in mind when you're populating your presentation with names that will fly completely over the heads of your audience.

Interesting. So according to you, the only contemporary edm artists worth noting are Richie Hawtin, Sven Vath, and PvD.

I disagree, most of those djs listed have their peculiar historic relevance as a part of some movement or trend. Whether the movement they belong to lacks any innovation or groundbreaking musical realm according to one's own personal appreciation values doesn't really matter. At face value, they all stand for something unique and particular in the edm historic context. The mere fact that they have had a widely felt impact on the global scene by means of providing exposure to that particular movement makes them worthy of discussion, whether one wants to look at them in a positive or negative light.

Since music is a commodity, it should be analyzed as a capitalist good in a global market, molded and directed by economic fluctuations and socio-cultural values. There's a reason for regional displacement of important (or commercially successful) edm sub-genres: the roots of computer disco and synthpop in Germany, electro in Brooklyn, Chicago house, Detroit techno, German techno and trance, UK hard house, jungle, prog etc., Bristol downtempo, Goa trance, Israeli psy, Dutch trance, Swedish techno, Spanish techno, Drum n' Brazz, German hard fluff tech trance, Australian nu breaks, Miami McProg and the list can go on and on.

haha, wtf. The point is, there are underlying factors in the globalization and the growing popularity of edm that owe a lot to many of those figures mentioned above. They have set trends and just for that, are important for the broader aspects of edm history.

wtf, dont play any of that minimalistic stuff

like i said its like playing classical to a baby

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Originally posted by mndeg wtf, dont play any of that minimalistic stuff like i said its like playing classical to a baby

The Mozart effect raises the baby's IQ.

first, i did the presentation today, all went quite smoothly.
i'd like to thank everyone who helped, i'd like to thank Ishkur for a quite informative and rather entertaining guide, and torontotrance for good information. then, i would like to point out you two are so much alike it's uncanny. also, i'd like to point out your discussions as incredibly amusing.

furthermore, the artists i listed aren't what i consider best necessarily. the term "top dogs" referred to representation or prominence in a certain style, where popularity would be one of the deciding factors.

another thing, about the composer of "Switched on Bach", what is his proper name, Wendy Carlos or Walter Carlos? my music teacher argued his first name was Walter, to which i could only reply that this is how i had found it at various sources.

without the need for hostility, i'd like to ask you Ishkur, you'd consider Paul van Dyk a good artist and not Dave Seaman, Sasha, Digweed, Danny Howells, James Zabiela, Anthony Pappa, etc.? to each his own, but i don't see how that would go.

YaleTrance, you seem like an intelligent person. i don't understand how you would 'dislike' me because of a joke i put into my sig quoting a friend of mine, but thinking twice, i don't really care either. if you would 'dislike' me over my opinion of reggaeton, i think i would probably earn your 'disliking' in some other aspects of human interaction. other than that, if you infact didn't want to help me for these reasons, then why post in the thread at all, and once you have posted, why point out the fact that you wanted to stay away because of what i once posted about a style of music? i'd hardly classify our friction as a discussion, i remember you posting about it, i replied, and afterwards don't even recall checking the thread.

moving on...

Ishkur, i started off all the way back in 1876 at the Philadelphia Centennial with Elisha Gray's electromusical piano. i had a graphic/text compilation to aid my presentaion. i did mention a few things of today, such as the whole progressive melange of electronic music. i mentioned there was a style or genre called this, and that it wasn't quite as easy to pinpoint and define, etc etc.

the whole deal was fun, i got a nice grade, everyone wins.

feel free to continue discussing, it is both informative and entertaining.

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