i dunno

sometimes there is a border between trance and techno, but i just haven't really heard any songs that collaborate the two genres (successfully). many trance djs feel like they can integrate "their style" with techno to profess themselves as unique. this isn't a visa versa case, cause i don't really hear any techno djs integrate trance into their sets.

i can't argue that picotto didn't used to play trancy stuff. but remember, techno is allowed to have a melody as well, and thats where people get crazy and rave on and on thats its tech-trance.

when i think of trance, i think of stuff like fire & ice - never ending melody or push - universal nation. when i think of techno, i think of the truest and most original forms, such as stuff from laurent garnier(amazing dj live) or detroit techno (jeff mills). maybe it simply leads to what someone considers trance and what someone considers techno.

but from a nuetral and fact-based perspective, tech-trance really doens't exist. tech-house is definately more debatable though.

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Originally posted by Ian^ he said tech-trance, not techno. Techno isn't just full of elitists, theres people who love both techno & trance like myself. Whatever your personal thoughts, real tech trance, stuff by Oliver Lieb, Marco V etc takes elements from both genres, forget the stuff by tiesto (minus traffic which is barely tech-trance) And you'll find that someone like Mauro (in his new style too, the alchemy uk label etc) is the techno dj most trance fans goto first. We're not saying liebing or takkyu or dave clarke or hawtin or any other techno dj of any quality is worse or better, just trying to show u that tech-trance does exist, whether you like it or not. And the people at discogs are the same elitist house loving ****s you find at many dark dirty places, whilst ppl here like many genres, they just like to argue with it for no good reason. edit - oops fucked things up - dont watch tv and type

discogs has members that are SOOO much more educated about electronic music than tranceaddict. these are people that have listened to electronic music since the early 80's. they have a right to be elitist.

but unfortunately, most of tranceaddict is filled with people who's vocabulary only consists of tiesto or cor fijnerman (i think is spelled his name wrong). discogs has the most electronically diverse culture i've ever seen online. everyone from groovin house lovers to minimal techno fans

The more one thinks about it, the more one gets confused.

Whatever you want to call it, ask yourself: do you enjoy the music?

It's a double-edged sword:

history SHOWS the pioneers of hybridization will always be chewed out at first, but if they persist, influence will spread (and yes, this means bandwagon jumpers). Arguments and minor quibbly semantics do nothing to stop the actual music, just like how critics and analysts of such fine points often write to impress each other instead of really helping to educate and enlighten people. Even the best text descriptions are not the music. Language is flawed.

I've seen the same thing happen many times before and it's redundant.

To be wholly trance-centric is dangerous, just like being centric around any culture like American. There's a bigger picture out there where people are doing things differently, more of the world to see.

Just dance! *big happy smile*

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i completely agree

but as a dj, i get upset when people "rape" the essence of a style and sound. its one thing to enjoy a song and to be open-minded, but its another to mislead novices in the electronic music seen to believe what the mainstream dance media is feeding them is "tech-trance"

i love techno, and some trance is alright. im not going out flaming people who like trance. i just upset when people compare the two as one. just my opinion

i agree VERY strongly with you that the rich history of electronic music is to be respected and that the commercial media doesn't present a complete picture of what it all entails, but a framework of the basics at best... i can't get mad at newbies for not knowing who Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream are, but i will often suggest to them to check it all out as further grounds for exploration. it's important to also note influences that come from other sources, be they literary or visual.

things are always changing, yet some things -- like arguments over styles -- will never change. i find that very, very sad and a waste of time & energy.

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tit shut up and suck

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Originally posted by aspergian i agree VERY strongly with you that the rich history of electronic music is to be respected and that the commercial media doesn't present a complete picture of what it all entails, but a framework of the basics at best... i can't get mad at newbies for not knowing who Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream are, but i will often suggest to them to check it all out as further grounds for exploration. it's important to also note influences that come from other sources, be they literary or visual. things are always changing, yet some things -- like arguments over styles -- will never change. i find that very, very sad and a waste of time & energy.

Yea, i agree with ya man...

Man people are not familiar with the essence of what electronic music was founded upon. genres are genres, and whats important is the fact that people appreciate it.

but electronica as a whole is progressive, always changing and finding new inputs to the several genres. styles are really only useful to djs, who venture out trying to find specific vinyls.

And part of me has so much more respect to the techno and house commmunity because through all its changes, its fans are consitantly supportive. unlike with trance, the n00bs simply change their prefrance to the newest mainstream productions.

geeeeeeeeet a lifeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee its music

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quality tech-trance

isn't that an oxymoron?

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Originally posted by stevebutabi isn't that an oxymoron?

only to elitist progressive fans who are blinded in sight like racehorses

elitist progressive fans? technosnobs? where??? BOO!!! LOL

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