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Originally posted by Cal A part from http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/defaul...23-4-2003_pg3_2 on a National Geographic Society survey in 2002 How's that for the efficacy of my argument?

Funny that you quote a periodical written and created by Americans. What? your country doesn't have such high quality magazines? Shame.

Well while we're on the topic of the national geographic study, if one were to read the study in its entirety, one would notice that all the English speaking countries performed quite poorly respective to mainland Europe. On average Americans correctly answered 23 questions (corresponding to a letter grade of 'D') whilst Canada and England correctly answered only 27 and 28 questions correctly (corresponding to a letter grade of 'C-'). That's not much to be proud about if you were to ask me. It is actually somewhat disheartening that elementary schools tend to place more focus on state history (who the fuck needs to know the names of every county in Maryland and their individual histories?) as opposed to world geography which is becoming more and more pertinent these days.

http://geosurvey.nationalgeographic...RoperSurvey.pdf

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No, you're right it doesn't have anything like that. Why? Because we already know where everything is.

I mean, if you got this as your view of the world you NEED National Geographic. ALL of it!
http://www.jigsawlounge.co.uk/kungf...ld-usa2003.html

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Originally posted by Cal No, you're right it doesn't have anything like that. Why? Because we already know where everything is. I mean, if you got this as your view of the world you NEED National Geographic. ALL of it! http://www.jigsawlounge.co.uk/kungf...ld-usa2003.html

I wonder where these Americans are that that take these Geography tests? Funny, I'm an American and I took geography at Cal Poly and passed with an "A" including getting almost perfect on the final which was naming every country, sea, and ocean in the world.

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Originally posted by Reverend_Trance I am from North Dakota (pop 634,110), one of the smaller and more insignificant states in the US of A. We pride ourselves in having one of the best educated populations in the United States. Our higher standards set by our state create a better educated people. About 90% of our high school graduates go on to college. I know little about the educational systems in Europe, but the standards are set by each state and not by the nation. The non uniformity of education can be an advantage or disadvantage. Califorina is considering that students can graduate their junior year (11th grade) and skipping the senior year (12th grade). I understand that many European nation have a 13th year of school.

Hmm, I lived in North Dakota and I must say that your primary educational system totally sucks in comparison with Europe. The high school gets better, but you're still lagging behind European better schools. In college you make up for the difference, since I think it's in most European nations that people go straight to university from high school. Now, university is a different story. Here I must admit that you generally do have better universities than those in Europe. Unfortunately they cost hell of a lot of money.

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Originally posted by mixinmusic when only 10% of your population accutually owns passports and has visited other countries!!

Because:

1. America is huge and visiting different states can take a whole lifetime. In Europe you only have to drive a few hours to be in a different country. Also American's don't have to have a passport to visit Mexico or Canada (though it's a good idea).

2. American's are hard workers and don't have time to travel much.

3. American's are afraid of being mistreated in Europe and many other countries. My friends and family all say that we are Canadian when we travel abroad because we are all tired of being abused by people when they find out we are American.

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Also with the history of conflict within Europe, for example terriorism that we have had to deal with far longer, how can Americans claim to be the experts on these issues also.

Um, who is claiming that?

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Originally posted by Reverend_Trance I am from North Dakota (pop 634,110), one of the smaller and more insignificant states in the US of A. We pride ourselves in having one of the best educated populations in the United States. Our higher standards set by our state create a better educated people. About 90% of our high school graduates go on to college. I know little about the educational systems in Europe, but the standards are set by each state and not by the nation. The non uniformity of education can be an advantage or disadvantage. Califorina is considering that students can graduate their junior year (11th grade) and skipping the senior year (12th grade). I understand that many European nation have a 13th year of school.

and, yeah, i prefer better school systems to bad school systems.. hehe..

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Originally posted by Cal How's that for the efficacy of my argument?

I maintain my point. Such highly-charged language as you seem to enjoy using, along with the off-colored slurs and prejudicial remarks about Southerners, makes you appear common. Most undiplomatic for someone who calls himself European. I thought you guys were supposed to have written the book on all things civil and high-minded and here you are hitting us over the head with a verbal sledgehammer that serves no purpose and doesn't advance your argument in the slightest. Once you made the jibe about Southerners, I knew there was no need to take your post seriously. Debates, I always assumed, were to be kept above a certain tone. Once they fall below that, they become merely sensationalistic clap-trap.

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Originally posted by occrider England correctly answered only 27 and 28 questions correctly (corresponding to a letter grade of 'C-').

Really hate to be gay and nit pick. But I REALLY don't like it when people say England when they mean Britain or the UK. To a Scottish person (i.e. me) thats really anoying.

England + Scotland + Wales + NI = Britain

Scotland is not part of England

Also for example Tony Blair is scottish so is the Chancellor, leader of Lib Dems and so is a huge number of the British Parliment, many in the highest postions.

But aslo in other thing like finance for example

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Ads pave way in US for Royal Bank of Scotland NEW YORK: Europe’s second biggest bank had a problem. It was on track for an aggressive expansion in the United States, but too few Americans had heard of it and even on Wall Street its name was not familiar enough. "

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Scotland is actually has a resonably large effect on Britain. So when people just lug the two togeather it's just like saying Scotland doesn't exist which is peaving. I know Scotland is smallish and stuff but England is not Britain.

Sorry I've said this before but you must understand why it anoys me, it's like people calling Canada America.

I'm actually when I think about not all that peaved but it happens sooo often it gets grinding.

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Originally posted by Dervish Really hate to be gay and nit pick. But I REALLY don't like it when people say England when they mean Britain or the UK. To a Scottish person (i.e. me) thats really anoying. England + Scotland + Wales + NI = Britain

Hmm I always thought England + Wales = Britain
and that England + Scotland + Wales + NI = United Kingdom.

Oh well, good to learn something new everyday.

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen 3. American's are afraid of being mistreated in Europe and many other countries. My friends and family all say that we are Canadian when we travel abroad because we are all tired of being abused by people when they find out we are American.

This says more about your paranoia than about the attitude of Europeans about Americans. It reminds me of what happened here last summer. There was this camp on the shore, and there were few americans that came by. They all claimed to be canadian except one, even though they told him people would mistreat him if they knew of his heritage. He told us that, and once people realized the situation everybody in the camp started teasing the "canadian" americans. Nobody said anything bad to the american who admitted where he was coming from.

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