It's all about the cold tea!

It's great in theory (I'd love it too!)...but Toronto (unfortunately) is different.

there are a LOT of people who just drink and they don't do drugs...and there are more than a few people who only stop drinking because they have no choice (ie. last call).

eliminating last call would be an *incredible* benefit for some bar and club owners...Guv would run well into Sunday afternoon, I'm sure, lol...but in Toronto, it would be a nightmare for police and bar staff would really have to monitor people (although maybe just until the novelty wears off). This is not Europe...too many people our city couldn't handle 24/7 booze.

i beg to differ.... everyone thought the topless law would see women running around naked 24/7 which did occur for about a month. But do we even hear about it or see it today? Nope... the novelty wore off fast. As for drinking all night? People who want to get drunk are going to get drunk. Whats the difference if they get drunk from 9pm to 2am or 1am to 5am?

Alcohol laws here smack of maternalism. Also, the more you demonize something, the more the general public is prone to abusing the forbidden fruit. Just look at how 21 year olds act in the states when they get drunk compared to the 21 year olds here who are USUALLY a lot more mature by then (the novelty wore off).

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Originally posted by boa-redux Imagine making noise bylaws based on the opinion of deaf people!!! Welcome to Ontario!!

Just a question off topic, do you represent Boa the club? Everytime you post I think of it being the expressed opinion of Boa. hahah I'm not joking either, you may want to change your name to a private one as this could result in some doodies.

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Originally posted by boa-redux liquor laws are not on the books because they make sense they are there because politicians are cowards who are not willing to do anything conceived as risky!!! Most people are in bed before midnite, and most people when consulted in opinion polls would say they they don't favor change because they don't see the need; hence the politicians who are vote sluts inaction on such issues. Essentially it is governing by opinion polls. Imagine making noise bylaws based on the opinion of deaf people!!! Welcome to Ontario!!

Amen to that! Too true, since the majority of the population is not at the bars and clubs post 2am, why are they the ones being asked whether or not we should be allowed to drink past 2am? The reason... it makes the most people happy and takes the least amount of effort on the gov't part. If they would only let us party in peace, and perhaps show people places like Boa so they could understand that there's nothing strange about partying till 10am! Long live the afterparty!

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if politicians only had gonads....

i hate seperatists but at least gilles duceppe was at nightclubs in montreal last week courting the youth vote.

Id like to see them try that here...

As much as i like to crap on quebecois' hatred of english canada i have to admit that i respect them on so many other levels when it comes to how they conduct their society.

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Originally posted by halo20 Just a question off topic, do you represent Boa the club? Everytime you post I think of it being the expressed opinion of Boa. hahah I'm not joking either, you may want to change your name to a private one as this could result in some doodies.

I don't think clubs have opinions... They're really just sorta warehouselike buildings... Never heard to much mumbling and grumbling from warehouses...

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Originally posted by Jayx1 i beg to differ.... everyone thought the topless law would see women running around naked 24/7 which did occur for about a month. But do we even hear about it or see it today? Nope... the novelty wore off fast. As for drinking all night? People who want to get drunk are going to get drunk. Whats the difference if they get drunk from 9pm to 2am or 1am to 5am? Alcohol laws here smack of maternalism. Also, the more you demonize something, the more the general public is prone to abusing the forbidden fruit. Just look at how 21 year olds act in the states when they get drunk compared to the 21 year olds here who are USUALLY a lot more mature by then (the novelty wore off).

not a good comparison, IMHO...I don't think that 99.9% of Toronto's women gave a moment's thought to actually going topless when that law passed. It was a law enacted on principle, ie. with regard to equality rights for women, based upon the loud voice of a very small number of people. Women have grown up taught that their breasts were something to be hidden, unlike men. I support the law (and not because I care to see women topless, lol).

The issue of extending or removing "last call" is nothing like that...it's not about equalizing anything for anyone. Would the novelty eventually wear off? Sure. But not very quickly and that transition period would be a *nightmare* in some cases.

I agree with the just of your 2nd paragraph...however, when you look at European countries, for example, the social and family structure is so much different. Kids there grow up with a different view of alcohol. It's not the "forbidden fruit" North American kids see it as being. That understanding/outlook can't instantly be manufactured here in teenagers and adults who've grown up thinking that booze is "naughty"...you take away last call, you will have a generation or two that won't deal with it well.

If last call is extended (and it should be) or removed altogether (not so sure about that one), there has to be some serious peripheral planning...it can't just be left to bar and club owners to police people and deal with the fallout.

What fallout? whats the difference whether i have a beer at 2am than rather than 4am?

What does time of night have to do with how i will behave exactly?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 What fallout? whats the difference whether i have a beer at 2am than rather than 4am? What does time of night have to do with how i will behave exactly?

nothing! exactly! you should see what happens on the streets in the UK after the pubs close at 11pm, especially cos everybody goes there right after work and gets pissed as quickly as possible just to fit in as many pints as possible in a matter of a few hours!

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I dunno, my parents never really said no to alcohol and my brother and I never really abused it. Parents never cared if the liquor cabinet was raided on the weekend, or if the beer fridge was emptied at the cottage. They trusted us not to be retarded about it and neither of us really care about drinking at this point.

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my personal experience is that in countries that have little or no alcohol laws, people seem to respect it more or simply dont care about it as much.

Many countries have no alcohol laws except that you have to be 18 and that you cant drive drunk and i didnt see drunks everywhere and the world coming to an end