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afastest
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The first time for me know something about politics and president was probably in 1985. I mean if someone had asked me who is the president of the US, i answered Reagen. Seems it was so long time ago...

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St_Andrew
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Registered: May 2003
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quote:
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To the man that ended the cold war


woudn't really agree with that of course

Old Post Jun-06-2004 10:32  Europe
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mps242
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Registered: Oct 2003
Location: NY, NY, USA

quote:
Originally posted by St_Andrew
woudn't really agree with that of course


That's fine... you'd be wrong though.... Even Gorby admits the wall wouldn't have come down without Reagan....

Old Post Jun-06-2004 12:30  United States
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Shakka
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That's fine... you'd be wrong though.... Even Gorby admits the wall wouldn't have come down without Reagan....


Indeed. Winning the Cold War is one of Reagan's most recognized legacies. Those were some tense times to live through.

Old Post Jun-06-2004 14:40  United States
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DrUg_Tit0
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To the man that ended the cold war


Grr, you had to mention the thing I hate most about him! All my favorite countries are gone now except for maybe Cuba and North Korea.


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MrSquirrel
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Registered: Aug 2003
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While I do not care for most of his policies, I do have a lot of respect for the method by which he accomplished things. He always treated people with respect and did not stoop to the levels that the current crop of politicians that say they regard him so highly do.

I hate to use a cliche, but he is in a better place now. Knowing how difficult it is for patients and their family members to deal with alzheimer's, it is as much a blessing as a curse that he is no longer with them.

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emander
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I think he was a good president and will be recorded in history as a good man.

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Cal
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Registered: Aug 2002
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Lol Reagan a good president? The same one that stood by smiling while Husein was gassing kurds? Does that mean you guys don't like dubya anymore?

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malek
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Regean a good presidents... i've heard it all.


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hardcore trancer
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you poor brainwashed Americans what can I say!!

Here are some of the good things he did when he was a president



quote:
Ronald Reagan, 1911-2004
Goodbye and Good Riddance
By PHIL GASPER

Ronald Reagan has finally died at age 93. Predictably, politicians from both major parties have issued gushing tributes to this venal and vicious man, who was happy to slash workers' wages, see families thrown onto the street, support sadistic death squads and bomb other countries, if this was in the interests of the American ruling class.


Reagan refused to mention AIDS publicly for six years, under-funded federal programs dealing with the disease and, according to his authorized biography, said, "Maybe the Lord brought down this plague," because "illicit sex is against the Ten Commandments."

C. Everett Koop, Reagan's surgeon general, later revealed, "because transmission of AIDS was understood primarily in the homosexual population and in those who abused intravenous drugs, the advisors to the president took the stand, they are only getting what they justly deserve."

Reagan's economic policies were a disaster for working-class Americans. Reagan presided over the worst recession since the 1930s, and economic growth in the 1980s was lower than in the 1970s, despite the stimulus of military Keynesian policies, which created massive federal budget deficits and tripled the federal debt. By the end of the decade, real wages were down and the poverty rate had increased by 20 percent.

Reagan was many things, but "gifted" was not one of them. "Poor dear," remarked British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, his closest international ally, "there's nothing between his ears." As for a "moral man," Reagan's morality included union busting--beginning with his dismissal of striking air traffic controllers in 1981--an unprecedented war on the poor, opposition to civil rights and support for apartheid South Africa. The "moral" Reagan trained and supported terrorists, including the Nicaraguan contras ("the moral equal of our Founding Fathers") who killed over 30,000 people, and Islamic radicals in Afghanistan who later formed the al-Qaeda network.

Reagan was also a liar. In November 1986, he publicly denied that his administration had been illegally selling arms to Iran and using the proceeds to fund the contras. One week later he was forced to retract this statement, but denied that the sale was part of a deal to free U.S. hostages. The following year, Reagan admitted that there had been an arms-for-hostages deal, but denied he knew anything about it.

In 1992, that too proved to be a lie when former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger was compelled to release notes from a January 1986 meeting revealing, "President decided to go with Israeli-Iranian offer to release our 5 hostages in return for sale of 4,000 TOWs [U.S. missiles] to Iran by Israel."

The man whose administration spearheaded class warfare on behalf of the rich, dragged American politics to the right, and rebuilt US imperialism after the Vietnam debacle, is dead. Good riddance.



More of your beloved president

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Rest in Hell Mr.Reagan..


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NeoPhono
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Originally posted by hardcore trancer
you poor brainwashed Americans what can I say!!


Brainwashed? You're the one posting an article by Phil Gasper, who writes for several socialist websites and sites Noam Chomsky in almost every article he vomits forth. Would anyone expect him to have anything worth while to say about the conservative, capitalist Ronald Regan? It's like asking Ann Coulter to write an epitaph for Jane Fonda.

I could go through and discount most of the points given in the article, although I'm not saying he was perfect (give me the name of a "perfect" president). However, I'm sure most of us can read write through Mr. Gasper's usual garbage.

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Cal
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Originally posted by NeoPhono
Brainwashed? You're the one posting an article by Phil Gasper, who writes for several socialist websites and sites Noam Chomsky in almost every article he vomits forth. Would anyone expect him to have anything worth while to say about the conservative, capitalist Ronald Regan? It's like asking Ann Coulter to write an epitaph for Jane Fonda.

I could go through and discount most of the points given in the article, although I'm not saying he was perfect (give me the name of a "perfect" president). However, I'm sure most of us can read write through Mr. Gasper's usual garbage.


It's a fallacy to evaluate an argument on the basis of who is saying it. A statement of "Smoking contributes to cancer because tobacco contains known carcinogens" is just as valid coming from the mouth of a three year old child as it is from a panel of medical researches. Why? Because you evaluate the strength of the argument, and NOT the person who gives it to you.

So please...enlighten us how he is wrong

Old Post Jun-06-2004 20:05  Ukraine
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