Not to be racist or anything, but Bill Cosby is my new hero (no sarcasm).

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Originally posted by Galapidate Not to be racist or anything, but Bill Cosby is my new hero (no sarcasm).

i think it sucks you have to preface yourself like that.

mmm I didnt think he bashed blacks...

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Originally posted by tribu I dont think you can limit this discussion to race. america is currently infused with an image of individualism & consumerism; these people use products like no other country. In america, the citizens are constantly buying new clothes, paper, cars. They buy things they will never use, throw away perfectly servicable items because they have asthetic defects, and burn gas like there is no tomorrow. Has america always been like this? I dont know. Maybe Cosby is calling his race back to action because it seems more and more like america is dominated by the wealthy. African-Americans of Cosby's generation have an image of their race as logical, intelligent people who fought for the betterment of not just their race, but of the world as a whole. This is not so with any of today's americans, beyond simply those of Cosby's race. Almost everyone is living simply to better themselves, their lives, their home with little to no responsibility paid to their enviorment, their social structures, and even their own families. I believe this is a fad that will pass. The spirit of flashy wealth and individual freedom has been an ideal in American life for well over a century but, (not to pour gas on any fires burning) i find it kind of ironic that it no americans really seemed to have a problem with it until African-Americans became the symbol associated with this lifestyle . Im not trying to say that anyone here is racist, but this is a valid point you may want to consider: why do americans complain about these black ideals of lavish apperance and lifestyle, but rarely do you hear anyone complain about those similar of white celebrities (Paris Hilton is a prime example. She basically 'no commented' her way through a public scandal, and her tv show is one of the FOX Network's highly rated. Also Brittney, the Olson Twins, the insane Enron result, the Martha Stewart trial...) and their screwups? Instead, most american's roll in them like a dog trying to get rid of its scent. sorry to rant.

hey stop making this into "whities are evil". We know that. Lets focus on blacks and their problems for once, without blaming the whities...

We already know the white culture is the root of all evil

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Originally posted by Q5echo i think it sucks you have to preface yourself like that.

Why does it suck? I was trying to put in something to prevent me from getting flamed.

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Originally posted by tribu I wasnt really trying to say whites are evil. But like I said, this image has been a long standing tradition in america. Yes, maybe african-americans are taking it to previously unexperienced levels, but I would credit this to better technology and larger resource avaliability. Im just saying no one made a big deal out of this until black people started being associated with it...and also, this lazy disposition is not limited to blacks only.

There's a difference between being rich and successful normal person, and being a rich and successful criminal kingpin. While it is natural for people to desire success, these young black kids see crime and perhaps sport as the most promising way to succeed. Personally, I believe the cause of such a problem is the sudden equality and lack of endangerment. Whenever people don't feel threatened, they somehow seem to drift to lazyness and the culture becomes decadent. It happened in socialist countries, it is happening to most western countries after the end of the cold war, and it's happening to black people.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 There's a difference between being rich and successful normal person, and being a rich and successful criminal kingpin. While it is natural for people to desire success, these young black kids see crime and perhaps sport as the most promising way to succeed. Personally, I believe the cause of such a problem is the sudden equality and lack of endangerment. Whenever people don't feel threatened, they somehow seem to drift to lazyness and the culture becomes decadent. It happened in socialist countries, it is happening to most western countries after the end of the cold war, and it's happening to black people.

I think you must be brought to task on such a commentary not about the rich and successful aspect but that blacks feel a sense of sudden equality and lack of endangerment, whatever that means. As someone who was a history major in college I know that there was nothing sudden about the equality of blacks in America, so you may want to reexamine that comment. Blacks have fought a long hard time to attain a sense of respect and acknowledgement in society and these modern day morons aka "rappers" that disrespect their culture through their derogatory terms about women, each other and promotion of values that are not condusive to a long term improvement of blacks as a people is one of the issues.

It is this point that Bill Cosby was asserting when he made his comments about the vulgarity, value system and lack of respect that eminate from mainstream black vernacular among young people. If people have to feel threatened to drift away from such behaviour then what does that say about the society in which they live. Black hip-hop culture is promoted to people of all walks of life, I remember in college not being able to stomach blacks who walked around trying to portray themselves as rappers, at the same time I couldn't stand the whites who did the same thing as well All this mind you the fact that I am black, I just don't believe in the values or ideals that is promoted by that particular brand of music because it does influence many young blacks. Does that mean all of it is shit, no there are some positive black rappers, but they are limited in what they can attain in this criteria. The only way this can change is if there is a concerted effort by the black community to change the image of hip-hop music but that won't happen anytime soon. To the white kid in an American suburb or in Europe it may seem all cool as a distant novelty but trust me "there is nothing cool about it" when it comes to the gross values of glocks, bitches, hoes, n*****s, etc.

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan I think you must be brought to task on such a commentary not about the rich and successful aspect but that blacks feel a sense of sudden equality and lack of endangerment, whatever that means. As someone who was a history major in college I know that there was nothing sudden about the equality of blacks in America, so you may want to reexamine that comment. Blacks have fought a long hard time to attain a sense of respect and acknowledgement in society and these modern day morons aka "rappers" that disrespect their culture through their derogatory terms about women, each other and promotion of values that are not condusive to a long term improvement of blacks as a people is one of the issues.

Yeah, well sudden was probably a bad choice of words. Recent would be better. What I meant was that in the last 50 years, black people have finally managed to gain equal rights, not just on paper but in practice as well. However, achieving their centuries long primary goal, without having a new one of similar magnitude to fight for, resulted in young black people having nothing to stand up against. And when people have nothing to stand up for, they resort to attitudes not unlike the current rapper one.

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It is this point that Bill Cosby was asserting when he made his comments about the vulgarity, value system and lack of respect that eminate from mainstream black vernacular among young people. If people have to feel threatened to drift away from such behaviour then what does that say about the society in which they live. Black hip-hop culture is promoted to people of all walks of life, I remember in college not being able to stomach blacks who walked around trying to portray themselves as rappers, at the same time I couldn't stand the whites who did the same thing as well All this mind you the fact that I am black, I just don't believe in the values or ideals that is promoted by that particular brand of music because it does influence many young blacks. Does that mean all of it is shit, no there are some positive black rappers, but they are limited in what they can attain in this criteria. The only way this can change is if there is a concerted effort by the black community to change the image of hip-hop music but that won't happen anytime soon. To the white kid in an American suburb or in Europe it may seem all cool as a distant novelty but trust me "there is nothing cool about it" when it comes to the gross values of glocks, bitches, hoes, n*****s, etc.

I agree completely with this part. Luckily I'm a european white kid, so for me it's just a distant novelty

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Originally posted by Galapidate Why does it suck? I was trying to put in something to prevent me from getting flamed.

That is exactly why it sucks!

Now that a famous celebrity has decided to face the stage and speak out about the image of blacks in the united states, will this become the next issue in the somewhat monotonous media with viewers getting bored of the body count in iraq? For myself, i'd really hope so because as a minority myself (hispanic, which is rather silly since we are the majority of the SW), i'd like to be able to speak my mind with an audience that is coming to realize the need for a social and cultural reform.
While my family is proud to be from the roots of mexico and its rich history, me and my family often frown on other hispanics who choose to repeat the cycle of their past generation in working at small shops and living a small day-to-day life in poor-condition neighborhoods. While attending school, the only hispanics i came in contact with were transfers from other communities with the "promising" chance to attend a high income school. While i focused my studies to get ready for college, none of these hispanics were grateful to be put in a school that was far better than the 10 minute walk to their 4500 student crammed school. They were more worried about their gang names and permanent markers to graffitti the community.
The other day i went to hollywood video to check out some movies and the only new release with any leading hispanic role was about hispanic gangsters protecting their turf.
I'm just a skinny 140-pound guy 18 year old with glasses, so there is no way i can actually go to the hispanic community, yell out for a reform, without them being offended and kicking my ass afterwards. Cosby is trying to open the gates of the african american community only to help them, which just happens to involve harsh criticism. Sometimes you have to be harsh to get through peoples heads and i wish i could, but i'm just too afraid. When you are raised to the images of liqour, drugs, violence and a community torn by turf wars, it's hard to imagine the work it takes to get out and show your community that they can make it, that there is hope all the time for anyone who works harder than they have to. whether its my community or the african american or whatever, no one should be shunned for success, especially when people do the minimum and complain they never get the maximum. work for it and work hard

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Originally posted by nialsjd I'm just a skinny 140-pound guy 18 year old with glasses, so there is no way i can actually go to the hispanic community, yell out for a reform, without them being offended and kicking my ass afterwards.

Don't put limitations on yourself! You can do whatever you want if you want it bad enough. Your balls will grow with age. A movement has to start somewhere.