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Originally posted by cweb Of course these hijackers are some stupid people, but the terrorism is almost the only military weapon they have, they have not the money to build a common army like the us.

so you're saying that makes it right?

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I think that the people who deny the pictures of cheering Arabs or who think it could have been Israel or the U.S. itself that incited the attacks...

.. are seriously fucked up in the head.

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Originally posted by Izzy also fastdjmp3, why do you have to incite those angers, even if what you say is true you are contridicting yourself by committing the same propoganda as you blame us for, why dont you state facts in a nuetral way, did it just slip your mind to mention all the terrorist attacks by palestinians? suicide bombings by clubs, restraunts, and in busses, road side detonations, snipers from palistinian homes shooting into jewish neighbourhoods. did you forget about that? also about sharon, i personally dont like him and prefer shimon peres but he did not commit the massacre, the ones who did were the south leboniese army, a christian faithed army might i add. the way sharon was involved was by knowing this was taking place and he didnt do anything to stop it.... so please fastdjmp3, dont incite the same BS facts and propoganda you blame us for spitting out.

I was just reminding you that if nowadays there are terrorist attacks , it's because USA & Israel started everything . They are the ones to blame ... don't expect from the others to sit and say : "ok we will not defend ourselves , we will let them do whatever they want to do with us" .

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Originally posted by FASTDJMP3 I was just reminding you that if nowadays there are terrorist attacks , it's because USA & Israel started everything . They are the ones to blame ... don't expect from the others to sit and say : "ok we will not defend ourselves , we will let them do whatever they want to do with us" .

dude, that was not a very smart post...
I obviously thought you were more intelligent than that..

Did you ever stop to think about how the U.S. protected Muslims in Bosnia? in Kuwait?

Your post seems to justify this terrorist act... whereas in fact there can NEVER be any justification for murdering 10000 innocent people...

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Originally posted by FASTDJMP3 I was just reminding you that if nowadays there are terrorist attacks , it's because USA & Israel started everything . They are the ones to blame ... don't expect from the others to sit and say : "ok we will not defend ourselves , we will let them do whatever they want to do with us" .

i am not here to point fingers, i try to be impartial and open to all sides.... i leave those desicions to the governments but what i feel from you is that you are justifying terrorism. Terrorism is wrong in all ways and the targeting of civilians should never happen, i condem it in all forms and by all people. it is never ok! you cant say that they're defending thereselves by committing these acts. there are other ways. what ever happened to diplomicy? why even let the violence slip into streets? and if it comes to it why target people who have nothing to do with it.

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Originally posted by FASTDJMP3 I was just reminding you that if nowadays there are terrorist attacks , it's because USA & Israel started everything . They are the ones to blame ... don't expect from the others to sit and say : "ok we will not defend ourselves , we will let them do whatever they want to do with us" .

listen man, i dont want to be disrespectful but what is say is coming from a person that doesnt know the facts...
what do you mean by "sit and le them do what ever they want with us"?
what do we do?
nothing, we just respond to terrorist attacks wich is totally ligic, and BTW we can responde with much more power but we dont.

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Originally posted by FASTDJMP3 I was just reminding you that if nowadays there are terrorist attacks , it's because USA & Israel started everything . They are the ones to blame ... don't expect from the others to sit and say : "ok we will not defend ourselves , we will let them do whatever they want to do with us" .

Then why do you even moved to this country?
You are disagree with any decision that the US seems to make and you are infact HAPPY that thousands of people DIED on tuesday, and that those 2 buildings came crashing down.

Now my question is : Why dont you go back to fucking morrocco and stay the fuck there!!!

let me guess, you dont like it there, you do not get the same freedom as you do in Canada and the US, when infact you are happy that your and my freedom have been compromized by YOUR beliefs

P.S. Israel is the home for A LOT of fucking morrocans, so the next time some fucking muslem/arab straps a bomb to himself, keep in mind that he is killing YOUR kind

What for lame last post that was...
Every time someone say that america and the western community is not innocent in this attack, people start shouting "you justify these attacks and you are happy these innocent people died", that fucking annoy me to hell!!! I do not justify these attacks by any means but you NEED to ask you whythese things happened? You need to fight the reasons not the symptoms! And by the way what did the USA several times? What was the hiroshima-bomb??? many thousands of innocent folks died and the long-time-damage is scary! And these werent soldiers these were innocent people like you and me!!! So stop fucking believe everything your gov. do is right. Of course we (the europeans) are not innocent as well, because with all this colonisation shit we are responsible for many conflicts in africa etc. look at the frontiers, straight lines...
The US gov. should think about there politics a bit more. You can bomb and kill the terrorists but when you dont solve the real problems in 50 years we'll have the same problems as today.

and when the us or any other 1.world country declares a war they go to their enemies and bomb their asses away. so when a 3-world-country or a militant group want to declare a ware what do they have for possibilities? they can not come to you and bomb you away with common weapons like b2, because they would be shot down before they're even really in the air. like one man said: "terrorism is the weapon of the 'not strong (sorry cant remember the word, german: 'schwachen')'

And to repeat I do not justify these attacks, there are also like 200 dead swiss guys, but the problem is not solved by bombing the terrorists away!

p.s. its somewhat difficult for me to write what I really think, because of the nglish language

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Originally posted by cweb but the problem [wont be] solved by bombing the terrorists away!

WRONG -- no terrorists no attacks,bombings and suicide bombings

A lot of u guys are forgetting the reason/s for the bombings on the WTC, Kobar Towers.. the USS Cole, the AMerican embassies in Africa.
Arabs/Muslims dont want ( believe it or not ) AMericans in their land be it for any reasons.
I was, as everyone else here was, deeply shocked at the WTC bombings...
But it came to no surprise to me... and people think im crazy when I say that the Americans had it comming all along.
Comming from the Middle East and living most of my life there, I know that there is a lot of hatred towards America.
U.S Foreign Policy doesnt work in the middle east.. and it doesnt work in Africa.. and anywhere else except "western" countries.... Americans have to realize that they aren't welcomed in those parts of the world. U dont come into a region thats many centuries older than Ur own with different traditions and cultures and expect to live happily side by side.
There was a post a by Eugene in this thread that said...
"Did you ever stop to think about how the U.S. protected Muslims in Bosnia? in Kuwait? "
First off.... America has never entered and international arena of conflict if it did not benefit them..
Eg.... The US didnt enter Vietnam to protect the people of Vietnam against the vietcong... They went in their as an excuse to put of a watch post to spy on the former USSR during the cold war.
Kuwait... I lived in Kuwait.... it was well know that American spy satellites has monitored the Iraqi troops organizing along the border... If they really wanted to have helped "save arabs" they would have initiated something earlier....
America got a heck of a sweet deal out of the war because of the wealth of Kuwait and all its oil. Rumors in Kuwait at the time hinted to Kuwait paying The US somewhere around 11 billion dollars..
America has a military base in Saudi Arabia ( which a lot of people are fumming over ) Reason for that?... to watch Iraq?......Iran???
Immediate aid to Israel incase of immenent danger???...America is the worlds self appointed Police and watchdog over other countries... whether these countries want their presence is the main reason for this backlash....

The US could have avoided all this if only they would have stuck their noses elsewhere..

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Originally posted by cweb What for lame last post that was... Every time someone say that america and the western community is not innocent in this attack, people start shouting "you justify these attacks and you are happy these innocent people died", that fucking annoy me to hell!!! I do not justify these attacks by any means but you NEED to ask you whythese things happened? You need to fight the reasons not the symptoms! And by the way what did the USA several times? What was the hiroshima-bomb??? many thousands of innocent folks died and the long-time-damage is scary! And these werent soldiers these were innocent people like you and me!!! So stop fucking believe everything your gov. do is right. Of course we (the europeans) are not innocent as well, because with all this colonisation shit we are responsible for many conflicts in africa etc. look at the frontiers, straight lines... The US gov. should think about there politics a bit more. You can bomb and kill the terrorists but when you dont solve the real problems in 50 years we'll have the same problems as today. and when the us or any other 1.world country declares a war they go to their enemies and bomb their asses away. so when a 3-world-country or a militant group want to declare a ware what do they have for possibilities? they can not come to you and bomb you away with common weapons like b2, because they would be shot down before they're even really in the air. like one man said: "terrorism is the weapon of the 'not strong (sorry cant remember the word, german: 'schwachen')' And to repeat I do not justify these attacks, there are also like 200 dead swiss guys, but the problem is not solved by bombing the terrorists away! p.s. its somewhat difficult for me to write what I really think, because of the nglish language

1 less Bin Laden is 90% less Middle Eastern-organized terrorism. i win.

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Look when you bomb away the terrorists there will be no more for a short time. But in like 30 years a new generation of islamic fundamentals will appear and you have the problem once again. And when you're bombing a whole country (like afghnistan) you make like the biggest mistake you can make. Because why bomb a country who is already bombed? bombings make only sense when you can destroy important military and economic bases, but there is very few of them in afghan, cos its already been destroyed. You'll only destroy the innocent people and the terrorists will hide in some mountains you can not destroy by air strikes.
I for one, do not think that osama bin laden is so important to the organised terrorism. He is important yes, but the next bin laden will appear sooner or later.
An important thing is to win those anti-terrorist in islamic countries to help the US to find and kill those wankers. Elsewhere by bombing the whole country you'll have to whole civilisation of these countries against you and the problems will only get bigger.

@TimeWarp: good post