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Originally posted by Pheobius If, in an interview with a right wing interviewer he forgot a piece of evidence which would have been conclusive in the debate but lacking that he lost the debate that would have led to an incorrect verdict being reached.

Dude, I wouldn't give a right wing interviewer the time of day, because the entire right wing in America is full of itself. Rich pampered idiots who have nothing to do but whine about how they aren't getting their fair share are absolutely pathetic in my book.

I respect the enlightened side of the right wing that isn't about reducing taxes just to get votes. Or for that matter, giving Al Queda control over US elections by saying we might have to postone the elections in the event of a terror attack. George Bush is the WORST president in American history, he takes the most vacations, which could be better spent improving his god awful language skills. (There are some GREAT clips of Bush's lack of language skills in Farenheit 9/11)

I honestly can't believe this pathetic weakling of a president even made it to the governorship in Texas, let alone the white house. His leadership skills are the worst since Carter, although Carter had better policies in spite of the recession caused by the oil embargo.

Historians and scholars are already writing Bush off as a collosal failure, and guess what, historians and scholars know something. These people are FAR more enlightened than the average hick that put Bush in the white house.

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Saw the movie.

YOu have to be open minded about shit like this and not let your own beliefs cloud your judgement and at the same token don't take everything literally.
Michael Moore is obviously a liberal and obviously this movie is gonna be biased. His depiction of the casualties in Iraq, aid his crusade against Bush and the Iraq war.
However there are some irrefuitable facts throughout his movie. Such as the connections w/ the Bush and Bin Laden families, the 2000 election...etc.
Facts are Facts!!
You can't dismiss these facts based on Moore being a leftist a "bigot", or "liar"

Bush has proven to be an inadequate president who can't even hold proper interviews. Never did I see Jay Leno or Letterman make fun of Clinton over how arrogant and clueless he appears in interviews/union addresses.

-digital-

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Originally posted by Vlad Moore doesnt have an opinion, hes an attention whore. If he had an opinion he would give normal interviews.

Paul Revere was an attention whore too!

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It makes me laugh that people criticise the movie without watching it. Go watch it first. Some of you need to take your lips away from conservative bottom at least for once.

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lol...i was in a bad mood until i read this thread.

politics is hilarious. no one has listened to anything anyone has said. people just want to back up their own assumptions.

as a libertarian who believes in a small government and liberal social reform, i just laugh at the partisan crap being spewed on both sides. funny though, this is supposed to be nothing compared to the flames dished out in the jacksonian era, where politics was a much hotter issue.

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Originally posted by mongeone who the fuck lit the fire in the first place?

Ditto.

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this thread can dance around forever. Someone could say take those facts and prove them true

I dunno. I just dont think its going to do anything but polarize. If you dont like moore and you see it youll probably just hate him more and dismiss the film. Those who like him and his politics will just like him more.

Not many people say "it was alright, I didnt really care about anything in there"

I can remember one `twisting of the truth` that Moore was claimed to have done. It was in Bowling for Columbine. He made reference to a Lockheed Martin Factory that is situated near the school. Lockheed Martin is the worlds biggest weapons manufaturer. Moore tried to make a connection with this and the massacre claiming that it could have a had an influence on the general mentality of the townsfolk. One of the killers parents was reported to have worked there I think. Anys it turned out that the Lockheed Martin factory was only making booster rockets for communication sattelites or something. Not weapons like he suggested in his movie.
I believe this has been verified and can attest to CNN`s continued quoting of it. I don`t really think it has too much of an impact on his overall argument in the movie but thats subjective i suppose.

Other than that i can remember mention of a `twisting of the truth` in Farrenheit 911. Moore is trying to enlist senators children into the army to serve in Iraq to make a mockery of their willingness to send other peoples sons and daughters. One of the senators that he questioned gets pised off at him tells him to go away and what not, but after a while caves into Moore`s continued antics and yells at him something along the lines of "i have a nephew/son there" however only the first part of the footage gets shown in the movie. I dont know how true this is but have heard several reports of it. That i must admit is a big fuck up on Moore`s behalf if it is true!

any others?

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Originally posted by digitalbreach Saw the movie. YOu have to be open minded about shit like this and not let your own beliefs cloud your judgement and at the same token don't take everything literally. Michael Moore is obviously a liberal and obviously this movie is gonna be biased. His depiction of the casualties in Iraq, aid his crusade against Bush and the Iraq war. However there are some irrefuitable facts throughout his movie. Such as the connections w/ the Bush and Bin Laden families, the 2000 election...etc. Facts are Facts!! You can't dismiss these facts based on Moore being a leftist a "bigot", or "liar" Bush has proven to be an inadequate president who can't even hold proper interviews. Never did I see Jay Leno or Letterman make fun of Clinton over how arrogant and clueless he appears in interviews/union addresses. -digital-

smart guy...i'm not pro-moore nor am I against him, but like digital stated, moore offers his opinion of the events and how they were handled. as humans entitled to our own opinion we can not agree or disagree with what the man has to say, those who strongly agree or refute his message tend to have a closed mind. people don't like thinking outside of what they know to be true, possibilities are only evident if you are open to a different truth. the truth that isnt followed by a social norm, any deviation of such retains the conveyer as a liar, "twisting/bending the truth" remember, what you know to be the truth is a belief that you solely possess. anyone who tends to differentiate YOUR belief is labeled a "liar" in your eyes. think outside of your social norm and simply consider what other people have to say and not necessarily follow it, but understand that people can have different points of view. open your mind =)

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Originally posted by Verona^My Historians and scholars are already writing Bush off as a collosal failure, and guess what, historians and scholars know something. These people are FAR more enlightened than the average hick that put Bush in the white house.

well if historians and scholars think so i'm convinced, after all, if someone i think is smarter than me says something it has to be true

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Originally posted by nic01445 Women aren't "evil" because "evil" is a human trait. Women really aren't a whole lot more than appliances. Every reaction is totally formulaic. Every nag, every whine, every complaint is totally forseeable once you begin to recognize their totally insane and irrational rythm.

so is it a good film?

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Originally posted by mongeone Other than that i can remember mention of a `twisting of the truth` in Farrenheit 911. Moore is trying to enlist senators children into the army to serve in Iraq to make a mockery of their willingness to send other peoples sons and daughters. One of the senators that he questioned gets pised off at him tells him to go away and what not, but after a while caves into Moore`s continued antics and yells at him something along the lines of "i have a nephew/son there" however only the first part of the footage gets shown in the movie. I dont know how true this is but have heard several reports of it. That i must admit is a big fuck up on Moore`s behalf if it is true!

Provide us a rock solid evidence of that and it'll be added to the movie's flaws.

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