as far as torque goes... does it really matter if you have a slipmat? as long as it has enough torque to overcome the friction of the slipmat, then i woudlnt think it matters.

i do agree that there are alot of other choices out there. personally, i havent played with all of them, but at the surface, the build quality and weight of tech platters seem so much better. genearlly when i breeze through the guitar center or whatver, and feel the stantons and numarks, they just feel like plastic. i think in the long run, it makes a big difference.

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Yeah my biggest dilemna right now is deciding what Technics to get. In my signature I say I prefer getting the Technics 1210 M5Gs, however if in truth I don't really need 16% pitch (I was thinking it might help with transitioning between two different types of music, if I wanted to be more varied in my song selection) and if the computerized pitch control really doesn't make a difference, then i'll just settle for the MK5s. I mean I have TTXs, and although I can beat mix on them, I do find them a bit unstable, have had problems with them and feel that they are not as good of quality as the Technics (esp the tonearms). I am looking to go the next step and play on Technics so in a year or so when I am more confident with my mixing on them, I can get a gig somewhere. Also what I think about the MK5s is that I am spending $450 ($900 for both) for a really standard turntable.

I don't use or need a lot of the features on my TTX other than the LCD screen (which if i was at a club I wouldn't have and it would be a big transition if I never have used Techs), however considering this I would at least want more for my money. I do like to be creative with my mixing and I don't know if having a bunch of standard stuff on an MK5 is worth it other than having what mostly all clubs use (MK2s are what they mostly use but I prefer having the non-click pitch) and long lasting stability.

Does having more pitch ever truly help when transitioning between different styles of music (house and techno together, trance and progressive, house and trance, trance and chill etc)?. If I wanted to be more creative I could just be creative with my mixing with my laptop and Ableton live if I were to get that. I have thought about the ST-150s, but it has many of the same features of the TTX I never use or need (up to 50% pitch, reverse play, 4.5KG of torque etc). Also I have thought about just keeping my TTXs if I ever need to or want to mix with slightly higher pitch (nothing more than 20%) or whatever else I may want to use in the future. I would also buy the MK5s so that my DJ hobby isn't just a wasted hobby, but something I can actually do someday at a club, not just in my bedroom. Any input is appreciated. Thanks.

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All in all though, I really don't want four turntables.....

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Originally posted by DjJade as far as torque goes... does it really matter if you have a slipmat? as long as it has enough torque to overcome the friction of the slipmat, then i woudlnt think it matters.

USE A SLIPMAT!!!!!!!!!!! only an idiot, or someone who wants to grind their records down to a small lump of plastic wouldn't.

spirit5 - m5g's really aren't worth the extra £'s unless you are going to use the +/-16%, which at the end of the day is crap and unprecise anyway. it would have been far better if they had used a similar system to the vestax decks on that front.. but yeah, they look posh and have better casing and a solid metal tonearm setup (unlike mk5) etc. but really, at the end of the day, there isn't enough difference to warrant the money.

having the extra p[itch is very handy if you are a bit quirky with your mixing and/or you like to play things that weren't made for that pitch. in particular, things like techno are where the extra pitch comes in massively handy. there is nothing more annoying for me than getting round to my friends house (who has mk5's) and not being able to play certain records where i want because the record is pressed slow.

if all you play is house music or trance, it is rare that you will need the extra pitch as most records are pressed within a specific beat range anyway.

the only deck you haven't mentioned in your post which should really be the first port of call if you are looking for a deck that is as good/better than a tech, is a vestax pdx2000/2300 mkII pro. they shit on the m5g from a great height in my opinion.

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Originally posted by tu_face USE A SLIPMAT!!!!!!!!!!! only an idiot, or someone who wants to grind their records down to a small lump of plastic wouldn't.

yes...that was my unstated point lol

anyway... someone mentioned digital pitch faders... can anyone say something about the picth resolution? is it something like cdjs? in that case, i would say that the fader in techs are so much better. i like the feel of them too... they are really smooth and have just the right amount of weight. i just got some cdjs and i dont like how the pitch fader feels like it could be a crossover used for scratching. ok maybe i am exagerating but still...

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I don't know about the Vestax tu_face, I really don't know many clubs that use them and besides I don't scratch so I really don't need them. I'm still tossing between the MK5 and the M5G. You mentioned the extra pitch helping with Techno, to be truthful I really wouldn't mind actually playing some techno in my sets since I am starting to branch out more. When I first bought my turntables two years ago, I just bought all these epic trance songs that I had listened to over the years, stuff from Tiesto, Corsten, Armin, Above & Beyond/Oceanlab, Thrillseekers etc. Although I still love epic trance, I am starting to play more progressive music, which I have always liked as well. I have been listening to some Techno and wouldn't mind putting some in my sets, as well as some house. So if by having that extra pitch with all these different styles of music I want to play, it could possibly make it easier, as far when I am mixing at home. I still have that 8% that I would use in a club with whatever Technics they use (most like I said seem to use the MK2 or M3D). I still have most of this summer to think about it, since it wont be till sometime next month that I will purchase them...I just have to get rid of my Numarks somehow...

well most of the stuff you play is not going to sound right played at that speed anyway... youre better off gradually pitching down a song that is too fast than putting a prog tune up to 8% beucase it generally will not sound right. prog is ment to be played more slowly anyway.

another note about large pitch ranges... i know i am biassed and that i am used to it, but i just like the sensitivity of the mk2 and m3d... i played on some stantons once and its too sensitive for me, i just could not get it right. even the dj who owned those tables would agree that a smaller pitch range would be more comfortable.

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Yeah I am still thinking about it, and a bit confused. I mean all I use on mine currently is 8% so that may be all I need for now, but what if in the future I might need it for something? I'm always thinking ahead because I'de hate to regret it later (just the $150 more it would cost me). Ya know some people have told me "get the MK5, they are all you will ever need" but i'm thinking down the road, like 10 years from now, if I would want that extra pitch for something (what I don't know, but that extra pitch has to be for something..). It's kind of like buying a PC to me. You get the best you can afford (and I could afford an M5G when I would sell my turntables and save up a little more money). Right now I have an Athlon FX-51 processor, and although it is a few years old, the 64 bit technology is something that people wont be catching onto for a while. However this technology will eventually be utilized, and by having it right now, I will be a few steps ahead.

i understand what youre saying [fx53 here >: )] but my point is that the pitch range is going to change the way you mix... meaning for each movement of the pitch fader, you will get a different change in speed. this will change the whole feel and behavior of the table as you are making adjustments during a mix.

i am no expert... i have been spinning for 3 years... i have about 250 records under my belt, started with trance, now progressive breaks. and i can confidently say that i have encountered maybe 3 tracks that needed to be faster or slower than the range that was available.

i am not trying to convince you towards one direction or another, but just trying to make the point that the implecations of wider pitch range is not linear...meaning you cant just use a wider range when you need it. it will always be there affecting the way you spin even when you arent using the full range. this is talking about 10% range vs 8% range going back to the tech vs other discussion that probably shouldnt belong here lol

but as far as your delema...which tech to get.. i say go ahead and get the best. 150 isnt THAT much more in the long run imo

also remember... that far in the future, you may be going digital.

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Last edited by DjJade on Jun-05-2005 at 18:57

And I probably will considering my TTX is mostly digital, however it is not reliable and none of the digital tables i've encountered thus far have had the long lasting reliability as Technics. I just want something that will last, and if they ever do come out with a new table, most clubs will not buy them initially. So i'll think about this, but anything besides my TTXs would be fine, I just prefer Technics.

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Originally posted by DjJade it resets the pitch by activating the quartz lock...right? tech decided to take out indentation at 0% pitch when they started making the m3d becuase it feels better to mix on for alot of people... but becuase of this, theres no good way of telling if you are exactly at zero... so they added the button so you can be sure.

Cheers mate, makes perfect sense

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Originally posted by Timski Firstly good job on this thread i always knew the differences but now i can send people who ask me here when i tell them about all the pointless little differences they have made over the years... Sorry iam just sour at how they charge so much for the MK5G in comparison to all there other tables... doubleing your pitch is not that much of a great leap technics! Besides another thing that makes me laugh about technics only djs (anything else is a sin) is when the other brands released decks with digital pitch controls... only for them to say "but digial pitch control is not as accurate i mean look at technics they dont use it" and lets not forget how the other brands released a wide pitch control. Then out comes the MK5G and its a technics revolution! I wont be at all suprised if technics bring out a deck with more torque anyway then it will be suprising to see what all the people who say "the fuck do you need all that torque for anyway"... Maybe we should also add "the technics story" about how panasonic invested little to no money in a turntable designed for audiophiles, till they found out that they hated them and then one day they were saved by a Grandmaster who realised his dream... etc Anyway i love mixing on techs so iam not at all against them or any other table... i just look further than them I am a big fan of techs but i also love vestax tables (cept the look) and i own a pair of st.150's

Didn't Technics use to make a 1400 TT with digital pitch display and +/- buttons for pitch adjustment? I remember hearing from a old DJ a long time ago that these tables locked the speed dead-on, compared the the analog-pitched 1200s which would never lock-on but tend to oscillate ever so slightly.