I like both

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Originally posted by Galapidate I like both

Exactly.

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Why is this even an issue? Is someone going to start pointing at branches from a tree and say which one they like more?

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I'm mostly into prog/progtrance and techno, but I also like breaks, chilled breaks... well, anything that is creative really.

techno is better.

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Originally posted by TheVrk i really like techno, and i love trance. ideally, a great trance set with tech mixed in at certain points to pick up the tempo is for me...

good call

I basically listen to every genre of electronic music that there is.. I don't care about genres as long as the track is good. That's all that matters..

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Originally posted by afastest techno is better.

Well thank you for your constructive addition to this discussion

Personally, I prefer techno as well, I've pretty much stopped listening to trance a few years ago, just because it became too formulaic to me. Techno (except for a few piss boring DJs such as Ben Sims) just offers more energy and variation to me, and I started noticing that trance tracks didn't 'touch' me as they used to do a few years ago. Therefore I have stopped listening to it, but each to his own of course. I still listen to other EDM types as well though, as long as there is a certain amount of quality and originality involved.

About the formulaic thing: I think one of the differences between trance and techno, DJ-wise, is the fact that trance tracks offer more variation in itself, leaving less work to the DJ to keep a set interesting (to the people appealed by that type of music, of course). With techno, a DJ has to do more (mixing more tracks, using three decks, golden shower the audience, or whatever) to keep a set interesting.. Does anyone have any opinions on that?

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It's hard for me to cut any fine lines across such a broad swath of territory, so to speak. Your observation, basd, of minimal techyness is certainly true -- there are generally less variations in the source material, and therefore the DJ can add more to individually tailor and craft the mix, personalizing it for the audience. This is not to say there aren't things that can be done for a trance set, forever: a creative mind can add a deep flange here and there (as Sasha so daringly did during his "Voyager of [BT's] Ima" during ye olden days and more), or double up on the snare rolls to make them more intense using a sampler device of some sort, and perform other varieties of tricks.

Techno (again, YUGE generalization) will not have the kind of climactic buildups and breakdowns that trance does. Someone could conceivably -- and I'm sure this has been done before -- extend and prolong buildup sections by looping and crossfading them skillfully, or adding a new, similar kick drum to where it all breaks down to give a sparse, startling, but still danceable feel. Thus, while the ch00n diminishes in terms of richness of texture, the beat goes on and there is no cue for the clubbers to stop dancing... yet! If every track consist of a similar structural formula, of *course* variation adds spice to the set.

I can't make any decisions on such a broad area, like I said. But if given a handpicked selection of tracks, it'd be easier to evaluate so-and-so and go: "Okay, this is a trance track, very melodic, very anthemic, but it could use an added percussion line here... drop the bass out with the EQ, just kill it... and after 8 bars instead of the expected, delayed 16, DROP it all back in -- BOOM! Toss in some hi-hat loops at the end to add icing to the predictable, formulaic outro and we're set."

I like to call it:

TECHNO EYE FOR THE TRANCE GUY

In short, monotonous repetitivity can lend itself more to customization -- which is, of course, a double-edged sword of its own. Everything that is now formulaic was once fresh once upon a time, after all. But I'd like to believe old kittens can learn new tricks.


P.S. hold the thought on the "golden shower" suggestion.

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Sander van Doorn

i used to be of the opinion that trance was more stimulating to me. but unfortunatly, IMO trance has gone totally down the toilet in the last year or so. its all lacking bollocks if you ask me, trance used to have bollocks. there is the odd track here and there i enjoy, but nowehere near as much as i used to. it even fucks me off if i go to a night and there is more than 2 trance sets on in a row

which is why i am now a techno junkie and i fucking love the stuff, much more creative and refreshing to listen to.. and there are literally no boundaries so its never likely to get boring. its the most fun to play (it keeps me busy) plus i am safe in the knowledge that i have finally found a genre that will never be spoilt by mainstream popularity and all the junk that comes with that.

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