it gives people hope, a sense of purpose, and a moral context within which to live their lives... supposedly.

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Originally posted by Seventil I wouldn't call them "expectations". However, believing in God does put a "higher purpose" calling into your life. It's the opposite of the humanist way of thinking - actual purpose to life. Self deluded or not, I think it's a better way to live life.

Just for reference, oldskoolraver is me, I'm back online.

So its actually a better way to live life now? Thats crap.

They only real benefits are the ones that happen after you die, and well there is a bit of luck attached to these turning out.

Some religious types point to benefits now such as living a cleaner life, no STDs or unwanted pregnancy etc but this is just spin that you would usually see from large corporations.

There is no way that a life with restrictions could be better than a life without them, unless you were weak and recovering from serious problems. If you were smart and healthy, than you should make your own decisions without the need to worry about a higher purpose.

So you think God takes an interest in every decision you make?

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Originally posted by Matty V What i have always wondered is if Allah and God are seen as the same god? And if not, does it say in islam that Allah created the world? And if he didnt then wouldnt the christian God be the bigger god because he did? And if both these gods are seen as the main gods then doesnt that conflict prove that there is no god? I mean how can there be 2 Gods when one of them created the earth! or if there is which one is the real one? And if the cristian God created the earth why didnt he make everyone worship him without lettin other religions begin?

Ecumenical ideology. As well as any other type of religion where you have a god of war and a god of creation. A god of animals. A god of harvest. A god of cheese and wine.

The god of Islam and the God of Christianity are two different beings. If allah were a creator why does he need people to do his bidding:

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Originally posted by Qur'an, Chapter 8:12 When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

Or:

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Originally posted by Qur'an, Chapter 2:190-191 2:190 YUSUFALI: Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. PICKTHAL: Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors. SHAKIR: And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits. 2:191: YUSUFALI: And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. PICKTHAL: And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. SHAKIR: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

That just goes in line with another great prophet:

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"The streets will flow with the blood of the non-believers" - Beavis

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Originally posted by Seventil Thoughts on the Catholic church and it's acceptance of slavery , non-involvement standpoint of the prosecution of Jews and now the acceptance of evolution?

Those are the exact reasons why I dislike Christianity, as well as most other religions. I do have to admit, however, that the current Catholic church does not accept slavery and jew prosecution, as well as it accepts evolution as a most likely theory. The non-acceptance of evolution exists only in minor non-catholic churches.

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fear. traditionally, human beings have difficulty accepting the possibility that they are alone...that nothing happens after you die. to explain what happens and give themselves hope, religion was created. it's good to have ideas of the spiritual nature, but religion takes it too far.

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religion doesn't kill people, people kill people.

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Originally posted by Yoepus religion doesn't kill people, people kill people.

"Guns don't kill people. I do."

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simple. i follow because i believe.

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Originally posted by tranceaholic simple. i follow because i believe.

That rather circular reasoning is not logical.

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For the meaning of life, and faith . Makes you a good person, with good deeds.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 The god of Islam and the God of Christianity are two different beings.

no they are the same...

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In the early seventh century a new religion came blazing out of Arabia fueled with the word of the prophet Mohammed and afire with his admonition to spread it. Islam (meaning "submission" or "surrender" to Allah's will) was seen by Mohammed as a continuation of Judaism and Christianity, and his God was the same as in both the Old and New Testaments. His followers spread quickly throughout the middle east (and much further). http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/m...stforpeace.html

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Originally posted by .montecarlo. no they are the same...

Ecumenical ideology.

So I take it you will ""surrender" to Allah's will" and kill me because I am an unbeliever just like Allah commands? Are you advocating my death because I refuse to do as the koran says? If you equate the two as being the same you have to go by both ideologies. One of them would be:

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Originally posted by Qur'an, Chapter 8:12 When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who disbelieve. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

The other would be:

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Originally posted by the Gospel according to Saint Matthew 19:18-19 ...Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19:19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Or

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Originally posted by Paul's Epistle to the Romans 12:17-19 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. 12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

God is saying He will repay. He is not saying for me, you or anyone else to do any killing. If God created, then God can destroy or kill what he made.

Allah is saying the he wants you or any believer (of Islam) to kill for him. Well if allah created why does he need you or I or anyone to kill for him?

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