I find that if you dont tolerate the abuse they eventually move on to someone who does. When i was in latin america however it was completely opposite. women wanted to be with you for you... it was a wierd change for me and it confirmed how i had felt about canada and in particular toronto, for a long time now.

Women here have the princes queen shit mentality and its partly thanks to the guys who let them get away with it.

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Originally posted by tw1tch But in general, I'd pay for the first date, 2nd too, but after that (and especially if there was no offer to help in the first two). I'd be on the highroad out of there. Go find someone else to take advantage of.

Couldn't agree more!!

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Originally posted by Durafei Whoever asks for a date should pay for a date. IMHO that's fair. Thus if you are a guy and ask a girl for a date, expect to pay for it. Once you are in a relationship; however, partners should take turns. That's my 0.02c

I agree...if you ask someone out, be prepared to cover that first bill.

After that...I dunno...chivalry is nice, but other factors soon come into play. If one person earns double what the other does (say, someone working FT is dating a student), is it really logical that they should always split the bill?

Personally, with dates and with friends, I don't keep score...I'm hardly "high rollin", but I make decent money...so if I'm dating someone who isn't in that position, I don't mind paying more often then they do.

People EXCPECTING to be paid for all the time...that's another story...I refuse to be someone's sugar daddy, lol. But if you meet the person of your dreams, or even just someone you really like...are you really going to let a little $$$ stand in the way?

Mark T: not at all... but if they dont respect you enough to at least offer to pay (remember a first date is a meeting among strangers) then shes not worth a second date IMO.

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Originally posted by MarkT If one person earns double what the other does (say, someone working FT is dating a student), is it really logical that they should always split the bill?

Nope... If you want to make it work, each person has to be understanding with respect to the other person's financial situation. You make it work. Even if that means one person is spending more than the other. As long as the person thats spending less is making an honest effort to contribute what they can, i see no problem.

money sucks.... period...

the last thing i want is a female paying my meal...

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I find that if you dont tolerate the abuse they eventually move on to someone who does. When i was in latin america however it was completely opposite. women wanted to be with you for you... it was a wierd change for me and it confirmed how i had felt about canada and in particular toronto, for a long time now. Women here have the princes queen shit mentality and its partly thanks to the guys who let them get away with it.

I think you simply need to re-evalute the company you keep if these are the kinds of girls you are surrounded by. No matter where you are in the world, the same kinds of people exist, so it's certainly not a Toronto phenomena.

I tend to have the luck to be surrounded by great ppl, and the girls I've been involved with/interested in are good, interesting ppl in their own right. I'd suggest changing your surroundings man, sounds like you're spending too much time in the wrong pond.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Stereoprincess: a woman's time is worth more than a meal? Well so is mine... so what do i get out of this?

are you sure yours is tho? and what do you want to get out of it.

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Originally posted by tw1tch But in general, I'd pay for the first date, 2nd too, but after that (and especially if there was no offer to help in the first two). I'd be on the highroad out of there. Go find someone else to take advantage of.

And they will. Two dates is enough. At that rate, they can get free dinners for the next 100 lifetimes and still not run out of suckers

being invited every once in a while is definitely nice & special, however, i do NOT want a guy paying for me all the time! i cannot stand it b/c it makes me feel guilty, uncomfortable, incapable and DEPENDENT. based on my own pride and integrity i like to have my own job, income, bank a/c and spending money.

and i, as a woman, certainly do not mind treating my other half every once in a while too! in fact, i take pride in this!

equality goes both ways. it should be a non-discriminating & reciprocal relationship - in whatever form - without expectations. if u give something, it should be genuine!

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