not trying to sound rude but how do you guys hear xpander in this song? Is it because it follows the same structure or is it the melody. I keep listening to it over and over and I don't see how xpander fits .

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Originally posted by DJ Cubano not trying to sound rude but how do you guys hear xpander in this song? Is it because it follows the same structure or is it the melody. I keep listening to it over and over and I don't see how xpander fits .

Same concept, same structure on the track and on the melodyline, that only differs on some notes. The melody grows in to and out of the track the same way as it does it Xpander, the groove is very similar too. It's simply a ripoff, really poor. L-Vee is a fool, let's listen to Xpander.

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Originally posted by SMC Same concept, same structure on the track and on the melodyline, that only differs on some notes. The melody grows in to and out of the track the same way as it does it Xpander, the groove is very similar too. It's simply a ripoff, really poor. L-Vee is a fool, let's listen to Xpander.

alright I understand now. Thanks m8!

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Originally posted by refuge.01^ Who gives a shit if he ripped-off "Expander?" People sample everything these days. If I were Sasha, I would be honoured to have people sample my music. As long as "the Veester" does a good job with it.. that's all that counts, no? // rez

You naive, pig-fucking simpleton! Electronic music is way to fucking easy to make to settle for this sort of un-creative shit. I think you're going to have a hard time defending the infallibility of any artist. (That's like accepting the notion claiming that George Bush as a compassionate conservative) For Christ's sake, there's a huge difference between skepticism (and it's corresponding realism) and the ignoramus' attempt to assert the congruence of the status-quo!

I think it was you who was defending M.I.K.E. as well, claiming he was one of the most creative artists in the industry. Well fucking what-ever! He may very well be, but he all to often succumbs to the formulaic tendencies of this drugged-out electronic dance music scene. ( Mind you, he was a drug addict himself... )

Fuck... are you so weak and credulous that you can't even scrutinize people who make it there business to get kids high in a club! Maybe you're young, and if not, for fuck's sake wake up man!

Enjoy your plastic, uninspired monotony...

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I'm really beginning to hate your attitude, Matt. Even if you don't like a production, that should give you no right to ridicule artists the way you do. What are you, 13? I mean, come on - these guys seriously put everything they have into their works -- and for you to utterly disrespect them the way you do is just plain wrong. L-vee is a great producer not because he makes anthemic trance songs... but because he puts in great amounts of emotion into his work (something that is clearly missing from the scene today.) He doesn't just make trance / progressive / whatever kind of music.. he makes music that touches people's heart and soul.

Wow. passion. heart. soul. tears.. crying..

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Originally posted by varun Matt.... How much bashing is it going to take to get the message into that thick head of yours. I flamed you in the A&B thread and now this... If you have any shame or common sense then I suppose you'll understand.. Refuge talks very seriously about the music he listens to because he is very passionate about it and feels very strongly about it. This is because he respects the artists/producers who have put their utmost effort into crafting a tune which they can only hope and pray that people like us will enjoy. He also understands that no artist is perfect and sometimes fails to meet expectations.Regardless of these ups and downs, the producer is still to be respected for the sole effort and passion. Unfortunately, you have failed to understand any of this. I had thought that you might have understood something after my previous post but I think it proved to be pointless.

You are in the same boat.


Get off the drugs!!

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Originally posted by trancedfarmer Electronic music is way to fucking easy to make

no.

i don't care at all for refuge or matt and haven't heard the track, but it's like this: everyone has their own taste. you have the right to bash mike and lvee, others have the right to say they like their music. about the ripoff, yeah it's very lame from lvee to do so, even more when it's the second time and when credit isn't given, but if it sounds good listen to it.

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Originally posted by paranoik0 no. i don't care at all for refuge or matt and haven't heard the track, but it's like this: everyone has their own taste. you have the right to bash mike and lvee, others have the right to say they like their music. about the ripoff, yeah it's very lame from lvee to do so, even more when it's the second time and when credit isn't given, but if it sounds good listen to it.

no, what? It's way to easy to make! Especially trance.

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Originally posted by trancedfarmer no, what? It's way to easy to make! Especially trance.

i respect your opinion, but do you have experience in production? it's waaaaay harder than one might think at the start. unless you're really good and/or work really hard and/or start with top hardware gear, you'll take a minimum of one, two years to make a pro track by yourself.

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Originally posted by paranoik0 i respect your opinion, but do you have experience in production? it's waaaaay harder than one might think at the start. unless you're really good and/or work really hard and/or start with top hardware gear, you'll take a minimum of one, two years to make a pro track by yourself.

I produced for a couple of years, still do sometimes... meh... It's boring. It was cool when i was high. It's incredibly simple shit. I can give you a sample if you'd like.

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Originally posted by trancedfarmer I can give you a sample if you'd like.

ok you started it lets see what you can do

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Originally posted by paranoik0 ok you started it lets see what you can do

SolarPlexus - Anorexia Perplexia

There's a sample of some psy that i made around Christmas time last year.

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