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MisterOpus1
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Kansas City

quote:
Originally posted by Reverend_Trance
Why does Kerry hold back the release of his military records? If he published them this Vietnam credibility situation would be over.

Go Bush!!!!


I know that's one of the charges by the Smear Boat, telling Kerry to release Form 180. At the risk of creating a Red Herring, however, I think the Smear Boaters need to be specific as to what exactly they are looking for in his records, and specifically state that whatever they are looking for are not in what he has released so far (which is quite a bit):

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john...ry_records.html

OTOH, we know exactly what is missing in Bush's military record - at least 3 months of unaccountability. It would be nice to have Bush release copies of this specific account from his Guard Archives in Austin, but alas, the AP Press is forced to file a FOIA to gain access.


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tupsox
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All this vietnam garbage is pointless. What can Kerry do NOW to keep us safe? For that matter, what has he been doing for the last 30 years, after he returned from Vietnam?

At the same time, I can't be sympathetic to Kerry.....his war record is fair game if only for the reason that he made them his primary qualification for office. Either way, this is nasty politics, I'd rather be hearing about the issues we face now.

Of course, the mainstream media is trying very hard to hide the whole "Christmas in Cambodia" and "Lucky Hat" fiasco, which as it turns out, Kerry definitely lied about. None of the major media is reporting this. You better believe if Bush had made some shit up about running recon missions against Cuba while in the Texas Guard, the media would be all over his ass.

Reading any newspaper other than the WSJ is unbearable these days, theyre turning into giant 30-page pro-Kerry brochures. And the major networks are jockeying for position to see who can fellate him first.

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Shakka
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quote:
Originally posted by tupsox
At the same time, I can't be sympathetic to Kerry.....his war record is fair game if only for the reason that he made them his primary qualification for office.


I would tend to agree with this statement. If he hadn't talked it up so much, it wouldn't be such a talking point.


quote:
Of course, the mainstream media is trying very hard to hide the whole "Christmas in Cambodia" and "Lucky Hat" fiasco, which as it turns out, Kerry definitely lied about.


Anybody remember that "Old Shoe" bit from the movie Wag the Dog? For some reason your post just made me think of that.

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MisterOpus1
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quote:
Originally posted by tupsox
All this vietnam garbage is pointless. What can Kerry do NOW to keep us safe? For that matter, what has he been doing for the last 30 years, after he returned from Vietnam?

At the same time, I can't be sympathetic to Kerry.....his war record is fair game if only for the reason that he made them his primary qualification for office. Either way, this is nasty politics, I'd rather be hearing about the issues we face now.

Of course, the mainstream media is trying very hard to hide the whole "Christmas in Cambodia" and "Lucky Hat" fiasco, which as it turns out, Kerry definitely lied about. None of the major media is reporting this. You better believe if Bush had made some shit up about running recon missions against Cuba while in the Texas Guard, the media would be all over his ass.

Reading any newspaper other than the WSJ is unbearable these days, theyre turning into giant 30-page pro-Kerry brochures. And the major networks are jockeying for position to see who can fellate him first.


On the whole I agree with you here. I've stated this over and over that Kerry's military record, and Bush's military record some 30 yrs. ago are non-issues, and they have little bearing on what's at hand today. I would also agree to a certain extent that, if I were a Kerry advisor, I'm not sure I would continue touting his war hero record, simply because aside of the issue of character, it has no real meaning on issues today. But even if we are discussing character, why go so far back to his early 20's?

I do understand the implication of touting his military record, however, as one its primary intentions is to sharply contrast with that of Bush's, the other intention showing his leadership skills.

And I do understand the fact that since he put it on the table, it becomes fodder for scrutiny and close examination. Personally I don't see Kerry minding this much, nor should he, because he is supported by Navy record and actual eyewitnesses on his boat. And as I've stated before, the Cambodia story is a weak one for Kerry, but taken as a whole I really don't see this one as having a whole lotta teeth in it. At worst Kerry mispoke or even embellished his location. The same could hardly be stated about any other recorded event for Kerry in Vietnam, however, given the Navy records and eyewitness accounts of his crewmates.

The upcoming debates will reveal a great deal more about present day issues. They're just around the corner, so be patient. I anticipate this background crud for both Kerry AND Bush will slowly dissipate.


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MisterOpus1
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Well if we want to keep talking about Kerry in Vietnam saving the life of a registered Republican, that's fine and dandy. But we could also talk about Kerry saving another Republican's life:

quote:
Former GOP Sen. Hecht owes life to Democratic candidate Kerry
By Kirsten Searer

LAS VEGAS SUN

Former U.S. Sen. Chic Hecht of Nevada is a staunch Republican, but he thanks his lucky stars for Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts.

On July 12, 1988, Hecht was attending a weekly Republican luncheon when a piece of apple lodged firmly in his throat.

Hecht stumbled out of the room, thinking he might vomit but not wanting to do it in front of his colleagues. Sen. Kit Bond, R-Mo., thumped his back, but Hecht quickly passed out in the hallway.

Just then, Kerry stepped off an elevator, rushed to Hecht's side and gave him the Heimlich maneuver -- four times.

The lifesaving incident made international news, and Dr. Henry Heimlich, who invented the maneuver in 1974, called Hecht to say that had Kerry intervened just 30 seconds later Hecht might have been in a vegetative state for life.

"This man gave me my life," the 75-year-old Hecht said Thursday.

Hecht said he was amazed that Kerry acted so quickly -- some people were assuming that he was having a heart attack.

"He knew exactly what to do," he said. "But a lot of people know what to do. They just don't size up the situation immediately."

The story has a twist of irony: Hecht was up for re-election that year, and Kerry, who was serving as the chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, had pegged Hecht as one of the most vulnerable Republican seats.

Indeed, the Democratic nominee for Hecht's seat, then-Gov. Richard Bryan, beat Hecht, who served just one term in office.

"Only in America can this happen, where he's working against me to get me defeated and then saves my life," Hecht said.

Hecht, who prides himself on having one of the most conservative records on the books during his six years in the Senate, said he and his wife, Gail, see politics as "a secondary issue" when it comes to Kerry.

"We've had a wonderful life, and it would have all been down the tubes," said Hecht, who is about to celebrate his 45th wedding anniversary with his wife.

Every year the Hechts call Kerry's longtime personal secretary, who tracks down Kerry wherever he is.

Then they recount some of their experiences in the last year. Hecht and his wife thank Kerry for thinking so quickly in the Senate halls that day. And Kerry tells them that their phone call is one of his favorites of the year.

"He's so nice and appreciative," Hecht said.

This year Kerry was taking a day's vacation from campaigning, and he told them that he thought his campaign was finally gaining momentum.

Some of the Hechts hope so. Both of Hecht's daughters have attended Kerry events, and Gail Hecht hopes to travel to California the next time Kerry is there to voice her support, Hecht said.

Still, Hecht points out that he and Gail have given the maximum possible contribution to President Bush's campaign ($2,000 each). Hecht, a longtime businessman and banker, served as President George H.W. Bush's ambassador to the Bahamas.

Soon after the Iowa caucuses, a former Los Angeles county deputy sheriff and Republican Jim Rassmann stood with Kerry at an event to tell the story of when Kerry saved his life in the jungles of Vietnam.

Rassmann, a Green Beret, was ambushed along Bay Hap river, but Kerry, who also had been injured in the attack, grabbed Rassmann's arm and pulled him to safety, according to Kerry's website.

On Wednesday, Roll Call wrote a story about Hecht's incident. So far, Kerry hasn't asked Hecht to appear at a campaign event, but Hecht said he would if he were asked.

Hecht won't, however, say who he would vote for in November if Kerry wins the Democratic nomination.

"Only the Good Lord and myself will know how I'm going to vote," he said.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/s.../516309920.html


Hehe.


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Does royal theory give Kerry edge?

Merovingian blood is in both their veins.


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