On my mailing lists if i get got caught filesharing/selling any promos i would be struck off them....

As said before- there is a fine line between leaking it to promote it enough and over the top leeching.
Rock/hard place

whilst i sympathise with you mr bagguley it is entirely your own fault. period.

as you know everyone these days downloads mp3s, legally or illegally. you would have thought DJs and labels would be wise to it by now but the same thing happends over and over again.

let me give you an example. i was reading the way out west forums a while back and nick warren (no less) was moaning about people downloading their new album, album that wont be released for another month or so (and this is going back a few months so you can imagine how pissed off he was). im sure theres been more stories, i know the nu nrg remix of the eternal was also leaked months before its release (and this was vandit were talking about, one of the bigeest and most succesful labels). kuffdam & plant were moaning that one of their unreleased mixes of point zero was leaked too etc. you see my point

you have to have some kind of quality control in place. i appreciate that youve sent only 7 vinyls, but bear in mind that even if youve sent a promo to the top 7 DJs in the country there are still ways it can be leaked. all it requires is some guy in a big DJs PR office to rip the vinyl - it takes 10 mins max and the damage is done.

as for "friends" well, you can never be too careful, thats for sure

let me give you one last story to conclude. the other day i emailed a producer who did a remix for one of the balance 00 cds (i wont say who) asking him if his remix was ever going to be released. he said "you can find it on slsk, if not go to this website and download it from there."

i rest my case

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I think all three parties are to "blame".
First off, sending promos to djs that you cant rely on 100% is your responsibility and is solely up to you to look after.
Secondly, the uploader is spreading copyrighted material which is a crime.
Thirdly, the guy downloading is commiting a crime and is also to blame. Its not "okay" to download tracks and blame it on the guy that made it avaible.

But to visit this and possibly other forums and post threads naming people arent going to give you anything else then bad PR and i dont think you want that. Its not a very professional thing to do.

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Originally posted by mike_stefan69 whilst i sympathise with you mr bagguley it is entirely your own fault. period. as you know everyone these days downloads mp3s, legally or illegally. you would have thought DJs and labels would be wise to it by now but the same thing happends over and over again. let me give you an example. i was reading the way out west forums a while back and nick warren (no less) was moaning about people downloading their new album, album that wont be released for another month or so (and this is going back a few months so you can imagine how pissed off he was). im sure theres been more stories, i know the nu nrg remix of the eternal was also leaked months before its release (and this was vandit were talking about, one of the bigeest and most succesful labels). kuffdam & plant were moaning that one of their unreleased mixes of point zero was leaked too etc. you see my point you have to have some kind of quality control in place. i appreciate that youve sent only 7 vinyls, but bear in mind that even if youve sent a promo to the top 7 DJs in the country there are still ways it can be leaked. all it requires is some guy in a big DJs PR office to rip the vinyl - it takes 10 mins max and the damage is done. as for "friends" well, you can never be too careful, thats for sure let me give you one last story to conclude. the other day i emailed a producer who did a remix for one of the balance 00 cds (i wont say who) asking him if his remix was ever going to be released. he said "you can find it on slsk, if not go to this website and download it from there." i rest my case

What should he do then? Not promote the track at all?

And as for that last story, that was probably about a track that was never supposed to be released anyway, or was it? If it was, then that producer would be kind of stupid telling people where to get his tracks for free if they are for sale on vinyl/CD as well, if not, he won't make any money of it anyway, so there's no problem with sharing them on MP3 (just as JameS Holden did with his remixes of Britney)..

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My take on... (various mixes planned, updated when I can be arsed)

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Originally posted by basd What should he do then? Not promote the track at all?

no, of course not. i did not say that at all. i just said he has to have some quality control in who he sends the track to as its so easy for leaks to happen.

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Originally posted by basd And as for that last story, that was probably about a track that was never supposed to be released anyway, or was it? If it was, then that producer would be kind of stupid telling people where to get his tracks for free if they are for sale on vinyl/CD as well, if not, he won't make any money of it anyway, so there's no problem with sharing them on MP3 (just as JameS Holden did with his remixes of Britney)..

i dont know whether the remix was ever supposed to be released, though i suspect not. i was just using the above as an example of the lax attitude of people at all levels within the industry

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Tune of the summer:
Primal Scream - Some Velvet Morning (Luke Fair Dub)

In an age of technology, where information can be spread across the world in just a few minutes, this is a no win situation...

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The music was our teacher, the DJ was our preacher...can you feel it like I feel it...Trance is something feeling good in your soul!

you could look at it as a good thing tooo... look how many people have in the post by nell in his screen shot..i am sure some of em are leechers and some of em are djs who would by the vinyl and recommend it to others, where if it wasnt spread nobody will know it and hence buy it. take me for example, i hear the track from the hub and i go oh cool, this track would be good in a gig or whatever and buy it. but if it wasnt for the hub, how the hell will i know about it? if it is a quality track you shouldnt have anything to worry about..if it is crap and u dont want people to know then thats another story.

those of you trying to tell andy that its his fault that people are illegally downloading his tunes and promoting themselves with it are retards. If you don't have a copy of the tune legally...you shouldn't be playing it.

i'm with you a 100% on your idea Nell...you gotta weed out the bad seeds.


oh...and i haven't even heard this tune yet hehehe

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Originally posted by Floorfiller oh...and i haven't even heard this tune yet hehehe

Well thats because it hasnt been released yet and youre not a mooch.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller those of you trying to tell andy that its his fault that people are illegally downloading his tunes and promoting themselves with it are retards. If you don't have a copy of the tune legally...you shouldn't be playing it. i'm with you a 100% on your idea Nell...you gotta weed out the bad seeds. oh...and i haven't even heard this tune yet hehehe

here is something funny..if it wasnt for the internet or TA i would have never heard of andy baggeuely (sp?) the internet is a double edged sword. u live by the sword and die by the sword.

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Originally posted by tranceaholic here is something funny..if it wasnt for the internet or TA i would have never heard of andy baggeuely (sp?) the internet is a double edged sword. u live by the sword and die by the sword.

you know what though. there is a difference between dling a tune before it is set to be released for your own listening enjoyment and dling it and then using it in a online broadcast or a promotional mix. i think that is the problem we're talking about. as andy said...

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Originally posted by bagguley Hits..Nail..Head!!! That is exactly the point... I fully agree... I don't care if people get our tunes, think "thats good, i'll buy it".. but unfortuantely they don't...

people listening to the track and then deciding to purchase it is not a problem, but people shouldn't be using the track to promote themselves as dj's until they have actually purchased it.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller you know what though. there is a difference between dling a tune before it is set to be released for your own listening enjoyment and dling it and then using it in a online broadcast or a promotional mix. i think that is the problem we're talking about. as andy said... people listening to the track and then deciding to purchase it is not a problem, but people shouldn't be using the track to promote themselves as dj's until they have actually purchased it.

yeah i agree with that point..but like everything else there is always those bad apples. dont think there is much we can do about it.