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ZinG
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Lebanon is muslim 50% - 50% christians

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hehe actually he is not,he is arabic,but I forgot from which country he was tho.



he is -- his parents were expatriate iranian zoroastrians and he was raised in a parsi community in india when he was very young


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he is -- his parents were expatriate iranian zoroastrians and he was raised in a parsi community in india when he was very young


you sure?becaue I was watching a biography about him and I think they said he was from Algeria?


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Konijn
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quote:
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you sure?becaue I was watching a biography about him and I think they said he was from Algeria?


i'm 99.9% sure -- i'm a big queen fan and my girlfriend is persian so i somehow know these things

catherine bell is only 50% persian as is andre agassi

former baywatch guy david chokachi is half iraqi

edit: when alexander the great was running thru the middle east he thought that persian culture was the most superior of all that he had conquered so he encouraged his troops to intermarry persian women in order to create a 'perfect' indo-european hybrid race creating the progenitors of modern persians. there are also tons of linguistic and cultural differences stated above.


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Cyrus King
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quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
hehe actually he is not,he is arabic,but I forgot from which country he was tho.


No hes persian..

His parents are Iranian

http://www.freddie.ru:8080/e/bio/


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No hes persian..

His parents are Iranian

http://www.freddie.ru:8080/e/bio/


hehe nice perisan4life


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then you have the maghreb in north africa , that includes morocco algeria tunisia and lybia (i won't introduce mauritania since they're mostly bedouins). we're half arabs half berbers (amazigh) with influences from spain (andalucia) and italy (sicily).

classical arabic is the *official* language but each country speaks with its dialect. here in morocco it's a mixture of arabic french and spanish , classical arabic is for administration and religion.

there used to be a strong jewish community in the countries i mentionned before , unfortunately they (almost all of them) left for israel after 48 and specially after 67.

en résumé :

north africa = half arabs half berbers
then you have the arabic peninsule
and then persia

by the way , morocco has one of the best cuisines in the world !


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then you have the maghreb in north africa , that includes morocco algeria tunisia and lybia (i won't introduce mauritania since they're mostly bedouins). we're half arabs half berbers (amazigh) with influences from spain (andalucia) and italy (sicily).

classical arabic is the *official* language but each country speaks with its dialect. here in morocco it's a mixture of arabic french and spanish , classical arabic is for administration and religion.

there used to be a strong jewish community in the countries i mentionned before , unfortunately they (almost all of them) left for israel after 48 and specially after 67.

en résumé :

north africa = half arabs half berbers
then you have the arabic peninsule
and then persia

by the way , morocco has one of the best cuisines in the world !


egyprians r north africans but we arent have berbers

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i noticed egyptian people identify themselves a lot to the middle-east except when it comes to sports , they're africans


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Arabs vs. Turks vs. Persians

Hello folks, even though this is a really old thread I thought I could clear up a little bit of the confusion surrounding what distinguishes an Arab from a Turk from a Persian.

Arabs are a Semitic people, making them related from the Semitic-speaking people of Akkad and Assyria (though not Sumer, whose language is related to no other language). The closest living relatives of the Arabs are therefore the Jews, and one can see similarities between Hebrew and Arabic even after just a brief look at some of their word lists.

Persians, on the other hand, are descended from the people of the ancient land of Fars (hence, the language is still called 'Farsi'). The word 'Fars' was corrupted to 'Persia' by the Greeks and later the Romans. Farsi is an Aryan language, and in fact the term 'Iran' comes from a Farsi term meaning 'Land of the Arya'. Although centuries of intermarriage have somewhat dulled the racial distinction between Arabs and Persians living in proximity to each other, the Persians are still a definitely more European-looking people than the Arabs.

The Turks are descended from Central Asian nomads who were pushed further west starting in the 10th century under pressure from the rapidly-expanding Mongols. One tribe of Turks, the Seljuk, conquered most of Anatolia (Asia Minor or modern Turkey, then populated by Greek-speaking Ionians)in 1071. Another, the Osmanli (known to
Western history as 'Ottoman'), vanquished the remnants of the Byzantine Empire in 1453, taking over Constantinople and renaming it Istanbul. The fact that what is now Turkey was populated almost entirely by people of Greek ancestry (in Persian and Urdu even today, the word for 'Greek' is 'Yunani', or Ionian) explains the bitter enmity between these two peoples that persists to this day.

Linguistically, the Turks belong to the Altaic language family, which also includes the various Mongol languages as well as all the Turkic languages of Central Asia (Azeri, Uzbek, Kazakh, Turkmen, Kyrgyz and Uighur, to name a few) and possibly Japanese and Korean (this classification is still disputed). Their ancestors were probably very East Asian in appearance, but centuries of conquest and intermarriage have made the modern Turks much more like other Mediterranean people in their appearance.

So in a nutshell, Arabs, Persians and Turks come from different ancestries and their languages are all wildly different from each other. You might not be able to tell one from the other just by appearance, but with a little practice it becomes a cinch to identify whether a person is one or the other as soon as they speak.

I myself am half Pakistani (dad's side); he is Punjabi by ethnicity and language, so I speak Urdu and Punjabi because of him. Urdu itself is a Turkish word meaning 'army encampment', as the language is based on Hindi grammar but contains many loan words from the languages of various Muslim invaders of India, including Arabic, Persian and Turkish. Punjabis are generally somewhat darker than Persians; of the four main ethnic groups in Pakistan, the Pashtun and Balochi people are more like the Persians or people of the Caucasus (e.g. Chechens) while the Sindhi and Punjabi people are closer to India in both their appearance and linguistic affiliation.

I hope this helps!

Peace
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quote:
Originally posted by nimblehuman
Hello folks, even though this is a really old thread I thought I could clear up a little bit of the confusion surrounding what distinguishes an Arab from a Turk from a Persian.

Arabs are a Semitic people, making them related from the Semitic-speaking people of Akkad and Assyria (though not Sumer, whose language is related to no other language). The closest living relatives of the Arabs are therefore the Jews, and one can see similarities between Hebrew and Arabic even after just a brief look at some of their word lists.

Persians, on the other hand, are descended from the people of the ancient land of Fars (hence, the language is still called 'Farsi'). The word 'Fars' was corrupted to 'Persia' by the Greeks and later the Romans. Farsi is an Aryan language, and in fact the term 'Iran' comes from a Farsi term meaning 'Land of the Arya'. Although centuries of intermarriage have somewhat dulled the racial distinction between Arabs and Persians living in proximity to each other, the Persians are still a definitely more European-looking people than the Arabs.

The Turks are descended from Central Asian nomads who were pushed further west starting in the 10th century under pressure from the rapidly-expanding Mongols. One tribe of Turks, the Seljuk, conquered most of Anatolia (Asia Minor or modern Turkey, then populated by Greek-speaking Ionians)in 1071. Another, the Osmanli (known to
Western history as 'Ottoman'), vanquished the remnants of the Byzantine Empire in 1453, taking over Constantinople and renaming it Istanbul. The fact that what is now Turkey was populated almost entirely by people of Greek ancestry (in Persian and Urdu even today, the word for 'Greek' is 'Yunani', or Ionian) explains the bitter enmity between these two peoples that persists to this day.

Linguistically, the Turks belong to the Altaic language family, which also includes the various Mongol languages as well as all the Turkic languages of Central Asia (Azeri, Uzbek, Kazakh, Turkmen, Kyrgyz and Uighur, to name a few) and possibly Japanese and Korean (this classification is still disputed). Their ancestors were probably very East Asian in appearance, but centuries of conquest and intermarriage have made the modern Turks much more like other Mediterranean people in their appearance.

So in a nutshell, Arabs, Persians and Turks come from different ancestries and their languages are all wildly different from each other. You might not be able to tell one from the other just by appearance, but with a little practice it becomes a cinch to identify whether a person is one or the other as soon as they speak.

I myself am half Pakistani (dad's side); he is Punjabi by ethnicity and language, so I speak Urdu and Punjabi because of him. Urdu itself is a Turkish word meaning 'army encampment', as the language is based on Hindi grammar but contains many loan words from the languages of various Muslim invaders of India, including Arabic, Persian and Turkish. Punjabis are generally somewhat darker than Persians; of the four main ethnic groups in Pakistan, the Pashtun and Balochi people are more like the Persians or people of the Caucasus (e.g. Chechens) while the Sindhi and Punjabi people are closer to India in both their appearance and linguistic affiliation.

I hope this helps!

Peace
-JFR


Awesome post dude.


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I think Lebanese women are one of the hottest in the world



Agreed x100,000

I know Shannon Elizabeth is 1/2 Lebanese... and I think Jessica Alba might be too. More proof.

Sorry to hijack the thread, just had to let that out.


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