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Originally posted by djxtension I'm not from the USA but I have read enough 'My First Gig' threads to know that the majority of people in the USA do not like trance.

I definitely agree, because what you said describes me. However, I can turn that statement around to say that most people from Europe generally take the piss on house music. It's weird how that works, isn't it?

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Honestly for some of you to be generalizing an entire country based on what you read on tranceaddict is hilarious.

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Originally posted by Special_K Honestly for some of you to be generalizing an entire country based on what you read on tranceaddict is hilarious.

What's wrong with this?? Isn't TA a representative cross section of the world??

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Originally posted by Special_K Honestly for some of you to be generalizing an entire country based on what you read on tranceaddict is hilarious.

I did not say that i based that statement on what i read on tranceaddict. Ofcourse there will be people in the USA that actually like trance, just like there are people in Europe who take the piss on house music.

I do know what is going on in the rest of the world. And I do know that trance is not as mainstream there as it is here in Holland.

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Originally posted by Special_K i dunno i guess a lot of you branch off into a lot of these mainstream genres but to be honest, Even if i had never played a gig before, and i got offerd a job playing at a top 40 club, there is no fucking way i would actually take the gig. I mean when you get booked to play somewhere you know what kinda crowd its ganna be, its not hard to do 5 mins of reasearch into the night, if it wasnt a crowd that was going to enjoy the style i play i would pass and i would seriously question the promoters head. In the years that ive been playing ive never been put in a situation where i would have had to comprimise my style to please a crowd.

THANK YOU SOO MUCH!!! I WANT TO SHAKE YOUR HAND !!!

THIS IS THE POINT I AM TRYING TO MAKE FOR SUCH A LONG TIME !!!!

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this is such an interesting debate so I'll add my two cents.

Where I am, in New Zealand - funky clubby house rules the floors. Its accessible, you can paly it on the radio (easy listening). It is great warm up party music too. Trance peeps might think its good for the first hour or so when out, or maybe only at home when getting ready, but here in NZ, its all you hear until at least 1 am and then it finally starts getting harder. Usually on the tech/prog tip.

Anyway my point is I have to say I like this style, it gets everyoen in the mood and is nice warm, bright happy 'light' music. Trance is great but its a bit deep for playing early on. I think it works well in a huge festival where everyone is f*cked on drugs and just wants to dance to the most uplifting deepest music. But since most people these days (esp over here where pills are freaking expensive) are sober or maybe drunk...they want house, it just fits better.

This sucks for me as well because I play mainly deep house and prog which is also only good if you are fairly munted or at least...thats when you rEALLY get into it and get messy

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Originally posted by sebjr this is such an interesting debate so I'll add my two cents. Where I am, in New Zealand - funky clubby house rules the floors. Its accessible, you can paly it on the radio (easy listening). It is great warm up party music too. Trance peeps might think its good for the first hour or so when out, or maybe only at home when getting ready, but here in NZ, its all you hear until at least 1 am and then it finally starts getting harder. Usually on the tech/prog tip. Anyway my point is I have to say I like this style, it gets everyoen in the mood and is nice warm, bright happy 'light' music. Trance is great but its a bit deep for playing early on. I think it works well in a huge festival where everyone is f*cked on drugs and just wants to dance to the most uplifting deepest music. But since most people these days (esp over here where pills are freaking expensive) are sober or maybe drunk...they want house, it just fits better. This sucks for me as well because I play mainly deep house and prog which is also only good if you are fairly munted or at least...thats when you rEALLY get into it and get messy

My thoughts on your comments:

Trance is a much more emotional music form. It is made for people to feel different moods and more importantly dance. Dance in a way that expresses the feels you have when you listen to the music in a emotional way. For example, trance makes you want to lift your hands up in the air, jump around , clap, etc. IMO trance is a much more interactive expereince. However, most people do not know how to dance to trance. Thus when they hear it they are confussed.

As I said before , people are creatures of habit. AS a result when they go clubbing they want to grind on people and act silly. Why? Becuase they dont know or have been told what else they could do at a club. They are not fimilar with the concept of dancing or "expereincing " the music. However, at festivals where those who attend are more fimilar with trance and as a result dancing enjoy themselves. Unfortunetley, as you mention drugs are apart of thsi sceen. However,I do not agree with your comments on drugs = trance. Just becuase a few punk 17 yr. old kids do drugs doesnt mean the entire sceen is drug ladden.

Yes, each style of music express a certain feeling. I agree with you there. House is more fun and funky. Prog. is a bit more groovin and mellow. Trance is more banging and emotional. As a result people need to know how to dance and experice these different levels of music.

As I said many times the popular culture in general that goes clubbing 1) does not know how to dance 2) have a twisted idea of what clubbing means 3).are very idealistic and impressionable

Let me explain how the above three characterics do not make trance a popular form of club music.

1) The dont know how to dance

--> White people dont know how to dance. They have no groove or rythmn. Especially american white people. So what are white men to do when they go out if they dont knwo how to dance ?! Simple, they invented the grind. Its a very simple move that any horny guy can do from the age of 10 to 35. White men fell in love with this easy method to enjoying clubbing. As a result what musical form helped to push for that grinding action? You guessed it house and hip-hop. Why? Because as you said house , hip-hop, RnB, is sexy groovin music. No doubt. But like I said white men cant dance so once you drop some prog. trance or trance ---booom----dance floor empty

2) have a twisted idea of what clubbing means

Clubbing should mean a time to enjoy yourself while listening so great music. Over time this idea has been replaced with todays modern societies version of "ultra-hip" "ultra- sleek" nightclubs which people feel cool and imporant getting into. But once inside all tehy do is walk around..look at each other...judge other peoples looks..try to hook up and/or get wasted. This is crasss tasteless society at its best!!! Trust me I know this sh!t. I ve been going clubbin since I was 18. And its the same shit all over.

Thus when you a DJ is trying to play something new and different the crowd is like WTF !!! They demand, as part of their understanding of what a club should be , too play music that will help in creating this scene.Its no longer about the music but just a show and an attempt ot make people feel like they are part of something "cool" and "exclusive".

For example in NYC. ALl the clubs their are based on bullsh!t rappers who went their, tv stars that attend, and all that other bullshit. There are maybe 2 or 3 clubs in NYC that are known for a style of music or a DJ. Here in Chicago that number is ZERO !


3) idealistic and impressionable


People today are so full of bullsh!t they hear on TV or the radio that they dont even know what to beleive any more. How can you expect a socity thats brainwashed by mass media to grasp and understand an art form or concept which is not comminuated in the means which they undersand ( i.e. tv shows ,radio shows,media) . If carson on MTV started liking trance or the teen boopper shows showed trance as cool sexy music than when you would go clubbing PEOPLE would demand trance. Or if trance was seen as some bad-ass music where rich white guys from the subburbs can blast it in their cars and think they're hardasses ..than yes trance would be king. Unlike house which has its funky sexy ghetto beats or rap whcih has its badass lyrics and basslines ; trance can not compete in this "bullsh!t" idealistic and image based society.


my 2 cents

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Originally posted by davepiazza My thoughts on your comments: Trance is a much more emotional music form. It is made for people to feel different moods and more importantly dance. Dance in a way that expresses the feels you have when you listen to the music in a emotional way. For example, trance makes you want to lift your hands up in the air, jump around , clap, etc. IMO trance is a much more interactive expereince. However, most people do not know how to dance to trance. Thus when they hear it they are confussed. As I said before , people are creatures of habit. AS a result when they go clubbing they want to grind on people and act silly. Why? Becuase they dont know or have been told what else they could do at a club. They are not fimilar with the concept of dancing or "expereincing " the music. However, at festivals where those who attend are more fimilar with trance and as a result dancing enjoy themselves. Unfortunetley, as you mention drugs are apart of thsi sceen. However,I do not agree with your comments on drugs = trance. Just becuase a few punk 17 yr. old kids do drugs doesnt mean the entire sceen is drug ladden. Yes, each style of music express a certain feeling. I agree with you there. House is more fun and funky. Prog. is a bit more groovin and mellow. Trance is more banging and emotional. As a result people need to know how to dance and experice these different levels of music. As I said many times the popular culture in general that goes clubbing 1) does not know how to dance 2) have a twisted idea of what clubbing means 3).are very idealistic and impressionable Let me explain how the above three characterics do not make trance a popular form of club music. 1) The dont know how to dance --> White people dont know how to dance. They have no groove or rythmn. Especially american white people. So what are white men to do when they go out if they dont knwo how to dance ?! Simple, they invented the grind. Its a very simple move that any horny guy can do from the age of 10 to 35. White men fell in love with this easy method to enjoying clubbing. As a result what musical form helped to push for that grinding action? You guessed it house and hip-hop. Why? Because as you said house , hip-hop, RnB, is sexy groovin music. No doubt. But like I said white men cant dance so once you drop some prog. trance or trance ---booom----dance floor empty 2) have a twisted idea of what clubbing means Clubbing should mean a time to enjoy yourself while listening so great music. Over time this idea has been replaced with todays modern societies version of "ultra-hip" "ultra- sleek" nightclubs which people feel cool and imporant getting into. But once inside all tehy do is walk around..look at each other...judge other peoples looks..try to hook up and/or get wasted. This is crasss tasteless society at its best!!! Trust me I know this sh!t. I ve been going clubbin since I was 18. And its the same shit all over. Thus when you a DJ is trying to play something new and different the crowd is like WTF !!! They demand, as part of their understanding of what a club should be , too play music that will help in creating this scene.Its no longer about the music but just a show and an attempt ot make people feel like they are part of something "cool" and "exclusive". For example in NYC. ALl the clubs their are based on bullsh!t rappers who went their, tv stars that attend, and all that other bullshit. There are maybe 2 or 3 clubs in NYC that are known for a style of music or a DJ. Here in Chicago that number is ZERO ! 3) idealistic and impressionable People today are so full of bullsh!t they hear on TV or the radio that they dont even know what to beleive any more. How can you expect a socity thats brainwashed by mass media to grasp and understand an art form or concept which is not comminuated in the means which they undersand ( i.e. tv shows ,radio shows,media) . If carson on MTV started liking trance or the teen boopper shows showed trance as cool sexy music than when you would go clubbing PEOPLE would demand trance. Or if trance was seen as some bad-ass music where rich white guys from the subburbs can blast it in their cars and think they're hardasses ..than yes trance would be king. Unlike house which has its funky sexy ghetto beats or rap whcih has its badass lyrics and basslines ; trance can not compete in this "bullsh!t" idealistic and image based society. my 2 cents

Why don't you just STFU? I'm getting sick and tired of you stereotyping people and music. People like different things so get over it. I think the moral of the story is that house owns trance as far as the groove and the dancefloor are concerned, and that has been repeated throughout this thread. You are no different than the hardcore trance elitists on this board, as you bash other genres without giving any supporting reasons. Get off your high horse and realize that trance is not liked by everyone.

BTW, I am a WHITE AMERICAN BOY and I can dance just fine. I have the rhythm and the groove as I was brought up in a very musical family. IMO, jumping up and down in the air waving a glowstick for 2+ hours is not dancing. It's simply called jumping up and down.

If this comes off as harsh, I apologize, but I take offense to your post. Please have a little bit of respect.

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davepiazza,

As "american white boy", i somewhat agree with your comments. You are generalizing a bit, since there really are still clubs where people go for the music. But mostly now it's about the scene like you described. People go to a club to hear music they just heard on the radio. People don't generally want to hear stuff they've never heard. They want to get into their little comfort zone and mack on the opposite sex.

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Originally posted by davepiazza My thoughts on your comments: Trance is a much more emotional music form. It is made for people to feel different moods and more importantly dance. Dance in a way that expresses the feels you have when you listen to the music in a emotional way. For example, trance makes you want to lift your hands up in the air, jump around , clap, etc. IMO trance is a much more interactive expereince. However, most people do not know how to dance to trance. Thus when they hear it they are confussed. As I said before , people are creatures of habit. AS a result when they go clubbing they want to grind on people and act silly. Why? Becuase they dont know or have been told what else they could do at a club. They are not fimilar with the concept of dancing or "expereincing " the music. However, at festivals where those who attend are more fimilar with trance and as a result dancing enjoy themselves. Unfortunetley, as you mention drugs are apart of thsi sceen. However,I do not agree with your comments on drugs = trance. Just becuase a few punk 17 yr. old kids do drugs doesnt mean the entire sceen is drug ladden. Yes, each style of music express a certain feeling. I agree with you there. House is more fun and funky. Prog. is a bit more groovin and mellow. Trance is more banging and emotional. As a result people need to know how to dance and experice these different levels of music. As I said many times the popular culture in general that goes clubbing 1) does not know how to dance 2) have a twisted idea of what clubbing means 3).are very idealistic and impressionable Let me explain how the above three characterics do not make trance a popular form of club music. 1) The dont know how to dance --> White people dont know how to dance. They have no groove or rythmn. Especially american white people. So what are white men to do when they go out if they dont knwo how to dance ?! Simple, they invented the grind. Its a very simple move that any horny guy can do from the age of 10 to 35. White men fell in love with this easy method to enjoying clubbing. As a result what musical form helped to push for that grinding action? You guessed it house and hip-hop. Why? Because as you said house , hip-hop, RnB, is sexy groovin music. No doubt. But like I said white men cant dance so once you drop some prog. trance or trance ---booom----dance floor empty 2) have a twisted idea of what clubbing means Clubbing should mean a time to enjoy yourself while listening so great music. Over time this idea has been replaced with todays modern societies version of "ultra-hip" "ultra- sleek" nightclubs which people feel cool and imporant getting into. But once inside all tehy do is walk around..look at each other...judge other peoples looks..try to hook up and/or get wasted. This is crasss tasteless society at its best!!! Trust me I know this sh!t. I ve been going clubbin since I was 18. And its the same shit all over. Thus when you a DJ is trying to play something new and different the crowd is like WTF !!! They demand, as part of their understanding of what a club should be , too play music that will help in creating this scene.Its no longer about the music but just a show and an attempt ot make people feel like they are part of something "cool" and "exclusive". For example in NYC. ALl the clubs their are based on bullsh!t rappers who went their, tv stars that attend, and all that other bullshit. There are maybe 2 or 3 clubs in NYC that are known for a style of music or a DJ. Here in Chicago that number is ZERO ! 3) idealistic and impressionable People today are so full of bullsh!t they hear on TV or the radio that they dont even know what to beleive any more. How can you expect a socity thats brainwashed by mass media to grasp and understand an art form or concept which is not comminuated in the means which they undersand ( i.e. tv shows ,radio shows,media) . If carson on MTV started liking trance or the teen boopper shows showed trance as cool sexy music than when you would go clubbing PEOPLE would demand trance. Or if trance was seen as some bad-ass music where rich white guys from the subburbs can blast it in their cars and think they're hardasses ..than yes trance would be king. Unlike house which has its funky sexy ghetto beats or rap whcih has its badass lyrics and basslines ; trance can not compete in this "bullsh!t" idealistic and image based society. my 2 cents

It is true that trance is an emotional music form. But isn't every piece of music an emotional music form? People express emotions in different ways.

And your comment about 'House is more fun and funky. Prog. is a bit more groovin and mellow. Trance is more banging and emotional. As a result people need to know how to dance and experice these different levels of music.' just states that.

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Clubbing should mean a time to enjoy yourself while listening so great music.

Exactly. So why can't people enjoy themselfs by grinding on other people while listening to house?

I agree that the clubbing scene is getting kind of f*cked up by the commercial side of the music industry, it happens in Holland too.

But what you need to remember is that not everyone likes trance. Some people can have the time of their lives by listening and 'dancing' to Hip-Hop. If that's the way the majority of the people wants it, clubs will have to follow along.

A club that keeps playing trance when people want to hear house will have to close its doors within weeks.

Remember, clubs need people to exist, and they will do virtually anything to keep those people coming.

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue Why don't you just STFU? I'm getting sick and tired of you stereotyping people and music. People like different things so get over it. I think the moral of the story is that house owns trance as far as the groove and the dancefloor are concerned, and that has been repeated throughout this thread. You are no different than the hardcore trance elitists on this board, as you bash other genres without giving any supporting reasons. Get off your high horse and realize that trance is not liked by everyone. BTW, I am a WHITE AMERICAN BOY and I can dance just fine. I have the rhythm and the groove as I was brought up in a very musical family. IMO, jumping up and down in the air waving a glowstick for 2+ hours is not dancing. It's simply called jumping up and down. If this comes off as harsh, I apologize, but I take offense to your post. Please have a little bit of respect.

Ouch that was a bit harsh. But I did not mean to offend anyone with the comments rather is was my opinions.

Secondly, as a white american myself I am happy to that you can dance. But as I said in the post , sadly average white amercia can not dance and hates dance music. They prefer alternative rock n roll, as seen by demographic studies taken of the population.

Jumping up and down, clapping to a brreak down , lifing your hands up wayyy to the sky.....yes this is not dancing in oyur standards but its moving around. And you need to move around to trance.


I dont have time to reply to the other carless remarks you made without any ratioanle.

I stick to my story ; hopefully one day your come around.



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you must live in the burb sorry for that statement but its sooo f@cking true

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Originally posted by davepiazza My thoughts on your comments: Trance is a much more emotional music form. It is made for people to feel different moods and more importantly dance. Dance in a way that expresses the feels you have when you listen to the music in a emotional way. For example, trance makes you want to lift your hands up in the air, jump around , clap, etc. IMO trance is a much more interactive expereince. However, most people do not know how to dance to trance. Thus when they hear it they are confussed. As I said before , people are creatures of habit. AS a result when they go clubbing they want to grind on people and act silly. Why? Becuase they dont know or have been told what else they could do at a club. They are not fimilar with the concept of dancing or "expereincing " the music. However, at festivals where those who attend are more fimilar with trance and as a result dancing enjoy themselves. Unfortunetley, as you mention drugs are apart of thsi sceen. However,I do not agree with your comments on drugs = trance. Just becuase a few punk 17 yr. old kids do drugs doesnt mean the entire sceen is drug ladden. Yes, each style of music express a certain feeling. I agree with you there. House is more fun and funky. Prog. is a bit more groovin and mellow. Trance is more banging and emotional. As a result people need to know how to dance and experice these different levels of music. As I said many times the popular culture in general that goes clubbing 1) does not know how to dance 2) have a twisted idea of what clubbing means 3).are very idealistic and impressionable Let me explain how the above three characterics do not make trance a popular form of club music. 1) The dont know how to dance --> White people dont know how to dance. They have no groove or rythmn. Especially american white people. So what are white men to do when they go out if they dont knwo how to dance ?! Simple, they invented the grind. Its a very simple move that any horny guy can do from the age of 10 to 35. White men fell in love with this easy method to enjoying clubbing. As a result what musical form helped to push for that grinding action? You guessed it house and hip-hop. Why? Because as you said house , hip-hop, RnB, is sexy groovin music. No doubt. But like I said white men cant dance so once you drop some prog. trance or trance ---booom----dance floor empty 2) have a twisted idea of what clubbing means Clubbing should mean a time to enjoy yourself while listening so great music. Over time this idea has been replaced with todays modern societies version of "ultra-hip" "ultra- sleek" nightclubs which people feel cool and imporant getting into. But once inside all tehy do is walk around..look at each other...judge other peoples looks..try to hook up and/or get wasted. This is crasss tasteless society at its best!!! Trust me I know this sh!t. I ve been going clubbin since I was 18. And its the same shit all over. Thus when you a DJ is trying to play something new and different the crowd is like WTF !!! They demand, as part of their understanding of what a club should be , too play music that will help in creating this scene.Its no longer about the music but just a show and an attempt ot make people feel like they are part of something "cool" and "exclusive". For example in NYC. ALl the clubs their are based on bullsh!t rappers who went their, tv stars that attend, and all that other bullshit. There are maybe 2 or 3 clubs in NYC that are known for a style of music or a DJ. Here in Chicago that number is ZERO ! 3) idealistic and impressionable People today are so full of bullsh!t they hear on TV or the radio that they dont even know what to beleive any more. How can you expect a socity thats brainwashed by mass media to grasp and understand an art form or concept which is not comminuated in the means which they undersand ( i.e. tv shows ,radio shows,media) . If carson on MTV started liking trance or the teen boopper shows showed trance as cool sexy music than when you would go clubbing PEOPLE would demand trance. Or if trance was seen as some bad-ass music where rich white guys from the subburbs can blast it in their cars and think they're hardasses ..than yes trance would be king. Unlike house which has its funky sexy ghetto beats or rap whcih has its badass lyrics and basslines ; trance can not compete in this "bullsh!t" idealistic and image based society. my 2 cents

Dave, dave, dave.... perhaps, it is you that has a distorted image of what exactly clubbing is. People go to clubs to hook up, get wasted, etc. I definitely judge other people's looks and look at beautiful girls. I also do the white boy grind when I am dancing sometimes because:
A) the dancefloor is either too crowded to dance with a girl any other way
B) it's fun
It's not to impress all the dancefloor queens out there. If you can dance awesome, then great, but no one really cares except you and whatever girl you're dancing with.

What you're mixing up is the difference between a rave and a club. When I think of a club, I think of somewhere you get dressed up to go, drink or whatever your thing is, meet people, dance how you want and go home.

When you think of a club you obviously are thinking of the warehouses where anyone can get in wearing whatever ridiculous apparel they want, dance by themselves all night and want it to be as "underground" as possible -- this is a rave.

I stated that house music gets the floor going more than trance does under normal circumstances to a general public - I am right. It brings elements of hip-hop, EDM and yes, that poppy crap they play on TV without compromising its own unique style as a whole different genre -- therefore, it reaches a larger crowd and fills the floor easier.

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