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Originally posted by J:\Digital I don't think you really realize the devotion, time, blood, sweat and money that we DJ's spend to practice... and a good % of us don't do it to get into a club (not that we would complain if that happened), but alot of us do it, for the basic fact that we LOVE it. Some of us have DJ'd for YEARS, and have had no club gigs, ALOT of us have spent THOUSANDS of dollars on equipment, records, etc. and not played in clubs... So your question is somewhat of a kick in the nutz, because you come across like you think this is the easiest thing to do, and that you think you can pick it up in a couple days or something... Read past threads, and do ALOT of research... Then you will get a feeling of OUR devotion to DJing.

Thanks for letting me know.I really take these words seriously,honest.No sarcasm.It's nice to have perspective like that.

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I'd just like to say that I have immense respect for those like yourselves who work hard out there.It's inspiring,and VERY intimidating.To think that there are so many ppl out there who are also into DJ-ing and trance,some working hard to getting gigs etc.

I know I'll probably end up a bedroom DJ and just listening and mixing/practicing as a hobby,because I could never DJ as a career,which is what the most dedicated set out to do.

So at least all you guys really put things in perspective for me and I appreciate that.Also I have newfound respect for all of you.

Keep trancing I guess! Thanks for all the info/advice.

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Nice reply T3nchi, I wasn't offended but I did mean what I said, you should just go get yourself a good setup for now and start practicing, then when you have questions either come back and ask, or do a search as theres LOADS of threads about learning the way of the DJ, so instead of cramming your head with all these things you gotta do to hopefully get a gig somewhere, your best just to start with the essential part, DJin.

Best of luck man, I'm sure we'll see alot of you around here.

Those of you that replied did an excellent job.


The best advice I could give is the following:

A. You the DJ Virgin.

The whole club thing is a bunch of bullsh!t. Unless you know someone or are super talented forget about it. Its 98% political and 2% talent in the clubs, IMO. So unless you know someone or your name is Armin Van Buuren goodluck !

Secondly clubs are a business. Clubs are run to make money, not to educate people on music ( unlike what we dj's tend to think). If you can show the club owner that you can bring 200-300 ppl to the club to waste $$ on drinks he will hire you ; even if you suck big d#ck behind the decks. Once again who you know and how many people you know is the name of this money game. The sad story is that because $$$ is an important player in the club owners mind the whole artist thing that all of us djs tend to dream of (i.e. trying to introduce people to new music , etc. ) is a fantasy.


Thirdly, I am not sure where you live but here in Chicago people dont go out to listen to music sadly. The lame-@sses here like to go out to get wasted, hit on girls, and dance to cheese ball music everyone else thinks is cool becuase they are to insecure of them selves (i.e. think rap) . Clubing in Chicago, unlike what we dj's want to beleive , is not about educating people about new music. No, its more about a scene and show put on by the club to get people to spend money at the bar. Its crass tasteless society at its best here in the big city.

Fourthly, there are about a million other people out there that are doing exactly what your doing or want to do. Their are djs buying those same "hidden" records and trying to be different as well. Its CRAZY how many poeple are a "dj" !!


After reading all this crap I posted and you continue to want to spend money on records and dj equipment than welcome to the club!!
You have the heart and mind of a true dj!


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B. Post Cheery Popped


Ok so you still love the music, you still want to share it with people, and you dont care if your not gonna be tiesto. is it all hopeless!?

These are a few things we all can do to change the world and improve EDM.

1) Host parties ( make sure to have plenty of free beer). Change peoples minds about music this way. Be creative. Maybe do a masive party with alot of ameateur djs or something. Think small first; with time bigger ideas and opppotunities will exist.

2) Pass out free cds of your mixes to all your friends every month.

3) When your old enough start your own club BUT realize that you unlike the others will focus your attention & money on the music not the astetics of the club. This will help pave the way for the future wave of clubbers who will appericate the music and the dj NOT todays clubbers filled with proanda of MTV and mass media.

4) Network and meet people. Talk to other dj's. Team up. Do something!!





Judgeing from your comments you seem to be of strong will and strong convictions. Just never forgot them; remeber why you started this afterall. Becuase one day you will have to dig down in your soul and find it again.

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Last edited by Dave Piazza on Sep-08-2004 at 10:29

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Originally posted by davepiazza Those of you that replied did an excellent job. The best advice I could give is the following: A. You the DJ Virgin. The whole club thing is a bunch of bullsh!t. Unless you know someone or are super talented forget about it. Its 98% political and 2% talent in the clubs, IMO. So unless you know someone or your name is Armin Van Buuren goodluck ! Secondly clubs are a business. Clubs are run to make money, not to educate people on music ( unlike what we dj's tend to think). If you can show the club owner that you can bring 200-300 ppl to the club to waste $$ on drinks he will hire you ; even if you suck big d#ck behind the decks. Once again who you know and how many people you know is the name of this money game. The sad story is that because $$$ is an important player in the club owners mind the whole artist thing that all of us djs tend to dream of (i.e. trying to introduce people to new music , etc. ) is a fantasy. Thirdly, I am not sure where you live but here in Chicago people dont go out to listen to music sadly. The lame-@sses here like to go out to get wasted, hit on girls, and dance to cheese ball music everyone else thinks is cool becuase they are to insecure of them selves (i.e. think rap) . Clubing in Chicago, unlike what we dj's want to beleive , is not about educating people about new music. No, its more about a scene and show put on by the club to get people to spend money at the bar. Its crass tasteless society at its best here in the big city. Fourthly, there are about a million other people out there that are doing exactly what your doing or want to do. Their are djs buying those same "hidden" records and trying to be different as well. Its CRAZY how many poeple are a "dj" !! After reading all this crap I posted and you continue to want to spend money on records and dj equipment than welcome to the club!! You have the heart and mind of a true dj! ------------ B. Post Cheery Popped Ok so you still love the music, you still want to share it with people, and you dont care if your not gonna be tiesto. is it all hopeless!? These are a few things we all can do to change the world and improve EDM. 1) Host parties ( make sure to have plenty of free beer). Change peoples minds about music this way. Be creative. Maybe do a masive party with alot of ameateur djs or something. Think small first; with time bigger ideas and opppotunities will exist. 2) Pass out free cds of your mixes to all your friends every month. 3) When your old enough start your own club BUT realize that you unlike the others will focus your attention & money on the music not the astetics of the club. This will help pave the way for the future wave of clubbers who will appericate the music and the dj NOT todays clubbers filled with proanda of MTV and mass media. 4) Network and meet people. Talk to other dj's. Team up. Do something!! Judgeing from your comments you seem to be of strong will and strong convictions. Just never forgot them; remeber why you started this afterall. Becuase one day you will have to dig down in your soul and find it again.

excellent post man...also if u lookin to DJ cause u like the title of DJ or think its cool or wanna make some cash out of it..then forget about it..its all about the music my friend.

I enjoyed reading this thread. Cheers to everyone for the comments.

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I haven't really got anything to add to a lot of the more sensible comments in this thread however just to back it up, basically it is really hard to get to that level unless you start your own night and even then you still need to know people.

But don't be put off just because people say it's really hard (And I'm not saying it isn't) it doesn't mean that people don't make it in the bizz.

Ultimately look to have fun with it, as long as you have fun you will be able to handle the disapointments you encounter a lot better.

I have been DJing for 18 years or so, and have played before and after plenty of names in the top 50 on the DJ list including names in the top 10. I have had it fed back to me that on occassion I have 'blown these people away' which is very encouraging but it still hasn't got me anywhere (Keep in mind that this is based on clubbers opinions and not my own, and yes perhaps it is a bit of a show off thing to say but it's relevant to my point). Don't get me wrong, I haven't overplayed my time slot or anything like that I just went and did my job better than the next guy.
There are talents out there far outshine plenty of names on the so called top 100 but as stated earlier, it's all about politics. And somewhere along the line I grew tired of all the BS that goes into this business.



Cheers
Nem

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step 1: buy turntables

step 2: get good

step 3: go out and make friends with promoters as if it was by accident

step 4: send cd's to promoters


i can't stress how important step 2 is though, without it you are screwed. it takes a lot of practice and it certainly doesn't happen over night, more like over years.

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Originally posted by ESMdjm600 I find you to be very detestable with what you said, if u dont get where im coming from u need to look at what you said very closely and see how uve insulted a few people with that.

its funny how people like this guy will slam someone for no reason and then disappear or never back themselves up...

back to thread, i dont know if theres anything else to add since everyone probably has said it all, just have fun and practice practice practice!

hmm, its also about charisma, if you can dance and motivate people...I find mixing isnt everything nowadays.

Anyways after 2 years owning turntables and 8000$ later (litarlly) on equipment and vinyl spent I got club gigs...trust me its hard...and you gotta kiss ass to everyone. Even that is not good enough, the more you DJ the more you evovle to your personal style...its hard to explain but you will know Then you will be known in ur area for having that style or being the best of the best

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