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Originally posted by Coup soz Jukx but i have to disagree with virtually everything u just said! all uplifting is cheesey? urban train? push - the legacy? rapture?

Ok, here our points of view differ. It doesn't matter, I can't say I am right and you are wrong, nor can you.
In my point of view the genre Uplifting Trance is equal to cheeze. When you learn to truely see the beauty of more complicated forms of music and you really like to appreciate them (Ehmmz, like techno or progressive). You can't appreciate something like Uplifting Trance the way you did before. So that's the reason why I see Uplifting as cheeze.

Well, you think what I say is bull-shit. That's allright, we both will stick to our points of view. But this is the way I think.

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if u hate uplifting, do you go clubbing?

I certainly go clubbing... I don't know how things are in England, but here in Holland it isn't only Uplifting what they spin in clubs.
In most of the clubs here they don't spin Uplifting trance, coz it would only attract little kids. You know, it mostly are young people who go crazy for Uplifting trance (here in Holland that is, don't know how it is in other countries). That is because Uplifting trance is one the most approachable forms of electronic music, which also is a reason why Uplifting isn't worth much for me.

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Jukx, you have missed the major part of the quote, some of Rank 1's stuff may have leeched into the commercial sector, but nevertheless it is not lame, cheesy or shitty

Ehh boy_luke_y2k, it is obvious we use other criteria on judging a song about it's lameness, cheezieness and shittyness. So if you want to convince me give me arguements instead of repeatedly saying it is not lame, cheesy or shitty without explaining why.

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You cant say that Uplifting trance isnt complicated.....
It really IS!
If you would split up a track like Veracocha you would find so many element you didnt think was relevant to the track........
And what about Zombie nation....that track is classified as techno......one of the most simple cheesey track out.....
Thats the view i have on techno...But since im not into it and havent heard so many trax i dont say Techno sux.....You say you have been into uplifting..still you say that they all sound the same and are based on the same pattern....Its wrong d00de....

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Originally posted by mindshooter You cant say that Uplifting trance isnt complicated..... It really IS! If you would split up a track like Veracocha you would find so many element you didnt think was relevant to the track........ And what about Zombie nation....that track is classified as techno......one of the most simple cheesey track out..... Thats the view i have on techno...But since im not into it and havent heard so many trax i dont say Techno sux.....You say you have been into uplifting..still you say that they all sound the same and are based on the same pattern....Its wrong d00de....

Zombie Nation is techno??? Hahaha, then Backstreet Boys - As Long As You Love Me is Uplifting Trance!

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Originally posted by Snooper I agree with you people. There are some good tunes from this year, but none of them beats the old classics!

100% agree. But i also think that 2001 have been a better uplifting trance year than 2000.

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Originally posted by Jukx Ehh boy_luke_y2k, it is obvious we use other criteria on judging a song about it's lameness, cheezieness and shittyness. So if you want to convince me give me arguements instead of repeatedly saying it is not lame, cheesy or shitty without explaining why.

Go on then, you seem to have used at least one of those words in every one of your posts. Zombie Nation 2000, is techno, and as you would say that is cheesy. And also, you say Uplifting Trance isn't complex, how about any Fire & Ice song?

Just out of interest can you stand the stuff what Mauro Picotto does, especially the early stuff like Lizard?

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Originally posted by boy_luke_y2k Go on then, you seem to have used at least one of those words in every one of your posts. Zombie Nation 2000, is techno, and as you would say that is cheesy. And also, you say Uplifting Trance isn't complex, how about any Fire & Ice song? Just out of interest can you stand the stuff what Mauro Picotto does, especially the early stuff like Lizard?

boy_luke_y2k, you are trying to change my words. And that is not very nice of you.
I didn't say Uplifting Trance isn't complex, I only said there are forms of music that are more complex and less aproachable than Uplifting Trance.

How can you say Zombie Nation is techno? You don't know anything about techno, still you want to correct me about saying Zombie Nation is techno.

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"Zombie Nation" is garbage and I wouldn't call it techno. Dave Clarke did a remix of it, perhaps that's why it's classed as Techno.

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Last edited by boy_luke_y2k on Oct-12-2001 at 20:08

Ok every1, especially me Paul and Jukx. I think its time we stop this arguing, we aint goin nowhere, sorry 4 the double negative, just had 2 get the point through. If it carries on I'm gonna ask a moderator to close the thread. OK?

Jukx, I think we be both guilty of twisting words, I don't like being called

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not very nice

, but we all gettin' a bit too overheated in this debate. I think what needs to be said here is that we must respect each others taste in music, and I like techno, don't get me wrong, it got me into electronic music 4 god's sake, but we should appreciate other music and be careful b4 we judge. This thread was meant to be a poll for, well what the title is. NOT a bloody slanging match between TRANCE VS TECHNO.

Evry1 friends, OKAY
No more arguing coz we aint gettin anywhere. Anyway why should we argue between electronic genres, when there is loads of shitty music floating around, radio music, not our underground stuff OK!

whats wrong with this argument? nowt i can see, whats the point in having a forum where no1 disscusses there opinions? carry on bouys! hehe, as long as theres no actual abuse flying, which there isnt then this is fine, and and i too would say zombie nation is garbage, i cant class it as im listening to pvd and cant even remember how it goes! lol!

This isn't goin anywhere though Coup. And Zombie Nation actually sounds very similar to RBA - No Alternative which is classed as House-Trance and although Kerkenkraft 400 is classed as techno, there is a lot more deeper stuff than that.