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Originally posted by Shakka Nobody said it was going to be peaches & cream--and if you did, then it's you who are dillusional.

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I think thats as dillusional as it gets.

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Originally posted by che "Mission Accomplished" - Commander in Chief

To be accurate, Bush never said "Mission Accomplished". That was a banner that was hanging on the aircraft carrier when he flew in. He did declare that major combat operations were over. It's an oft misquoted statement.

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Originally posted by Arbiter Oh, come on, it's not that bad. I'd take it over cancer in two seconds.

Yes, I must say it's a bit hypocritical to be so shocked by the killing of a person who willingly entered Iraq and was aware of all the possible dangers when there are literally millions of people dying in worse conditions than this guy died in.

It's not that I don't condemn the act, I certainly do, but I don't see what's more shocking about this particular death than when somebody else in the world gets brutally killed.

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So you are saying that just because the man is in Iraq helping to restore the infrastructure he is fair game? Someone has to do it and the Iraqi people obviously don't have the training necessary to work these jobs themselves or they would already to be doing so.

Thats like saying someone who got killed in a random drive by shooting was at fault because they drove through a certain part of town which they've driven to everyday on their way to work.

The reason is so bad is not because these people are Americans. They are also british, turkish, korean, and other nationalities. The reason it is so bad is that it is more than a killing, it is making a spectacle of the man, his family, and declaring an impossible ransom they know will never be met for the pure pleasure of killing foreigners in a brutal fashion. It may not be more shocking than other people around the world getting brutally killed in a similar way but how many of those are shot with video and released for the world to see?

oh and cancer is curable, being decapitated is not.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil Nothing we can do really other than catch this guy. If he is indeed in fallujah then perhaps we just need to send in like 50,000 American and Iraqi troops and search the city home by home along with blocking the perimeter. They keep doing these small raid with 2,000 troops but this barely covers a few blocks.

how excactly would that work?! thats a terrible idea. that would only enrage the iraqi's more.

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Originally posted by Michael19 how excactly would that work?! thats a terrible idea. that would only enrage the iraqi's more.

What is your idea? I doubt the Iraqis can get more enraged than they already are in Fallujah. Instead of putting them through skirmish after skirmish over the course of 2 years, wouldn't it make more sense to try to finish it in one operation?

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil What is your idea? I doubt the Iraqis can get more enraged than they already are in Fallujah. Instead of putting them through skirmish after skirmish over the course of 2 years, wouldn't it make more sense to try to finish it in one operation?

We are under the impression that we are big, bad America and we can simply run over others if we want to. C'mon man the U.S. cannot even set foot in Fallujah without violence breaking out in that place. Just remember that violence begets violence, so if we do go for a fullscale assault on Fallujah it will be long and bloody, do you think Iraqis will sit by idly and watch it transpire on the daily news. I can only question the way we think as Americans about others, as though they won't react when there family members are killed in such conflicts. It would be fine if it was just the militants being killed we of course know this is not the case.

P.S. by the way, my idea before you ask would be to have the Iraqi forces be the one's when finally trained, whenever that is, to go into Fallujah.

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We can always back up to Kuwait and proceed once again leveling anything that breathes in our path this time, but I don't think the world wants a moonscape in Iraq. Throwing a few 2,000 pounders at suspected Al-Zarquawi hideouts is the norm. Eventually, he'll make an error or one of his associates will rat on him, just like Saddam, and we'll knock the motherf*cker out of the equation. Only hope we could take him alive so the Iraqi government can make a public beheading of him.


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Originally posted by Shakka To be accurate, Bush never said "Mission Accomplished". That was a banner that was hanging on the aircraft carrier when he flew in. He did declare that major combat operations were over. It's an oft misquoted statement.

Which is worse as it implies that it was pre-planned so there must have been some who though it. I can understand if it was a spur of the moment statement from someones mouth, leting emotions come into it.

So you can't tell us that nobody expected this to be peaches & cream.

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Originally posted by che So you can't tell us that nobody expected this to be peaches & cream.

I'm still not sure what you're getting at.

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Originally posted by smokeape Eventually, he'll make an error or one of his associates will rat on him, just like Saddam, and we'll knock the motherf*cker out of the equation. Only hope we could take him alive so the Iraqi government can make a public beheading of him.

Ya he'll be waiting in a hole like Saddam did waiting to be arrested by the Americans.

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan We are under the impression that we are big, bad America and we can simply run over others if we want to. C'mon man the U.S. cannot even set foot in Fallujah without violence breaking out in that place. Just remember that violence begets violence, so if we do go for a fullscale assault on Fallujah it will be long and bloody, do you think Iraqis will sit by idly and watch it transpire on the daily news. I can only question the way we think as Americans about others, as though they won't react when there family members are killed in such conflicts. It would be fine if it was just the militants being killed we of course know this is not the case. P.S. by the way, my idea before you ask would be to have the Iraqi forces be the one's when finally trained, whenever that is, to go into Fallujah.

It has nothing to do with being bid bad America.

The situation is damned if you do and damned if you don't.

On one hand you have a city that to date seems to be the stronhold for insurgency within Iraq. You can let them continue and they continue to kill more innocent Iraqis from their carbombs and other means.

On the other hand you have the US troops who went in there before ready to launch a final assault (after the hangings of the US workers). They backed down and sent in Iraqi troops who to date have done nothing. You can send in further troops but again you are risking civlians but at least at the end of the day you have the possibility of catching or killing those who mastermind the attacks.

I think whether it is American or Iraqi troops they need to go there and in ultimate force and they must not back down until the job is done.

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