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Originally posted by Liam give me a break... did you even read the article i linked above? the technology is hear now. with the way technology advances, computers will be so far beyond a petty dj ai in 20 years. why are so many ppl threatened by an automated dj.. its not like it'll replace the club dj.

Exactly. Computers can not replace the club dj, because they only have Artificial Intelligence.

Club DJ's beat computers in every way, because they can see how a crowd reacts to a certain song, and a computer can't.

My conclusion is, that although computers might beat dj's on the mixing end, they will never be able to create the same atmosphere a dj creates.

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Originally posted by Liam hah you obviously have no concept of AI. djing is relatively simple process when compared to other complex forms of AI already developed. Maybe your living the fantasy?

Sorry about the double post, but creating an AI that can actually dj is pretty much impossible.

Have you ever been a dj in a club? Have you ever played in front of a crowd, no mather how many people there are?

DJ-ing is more than just mixing, and I have yet to see the first computer that can actually respond to a crowd.

20yrs was an exaggeration... I'll be more vague... I have yet to find software that can *accurately* and *consistently* beatmix *any* genre of music. IT WILL BE A AWHILE.

But I agree that it can be done. I have seeen what software can do with the proper programming.

I also agree that it will probably not replace a Club DJ.

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Originally posted by Liam Looks like HP beat me to it. And they got the "crowd reaction module" locked down. Click here for link.

have u read it i dont think it will work

'His solution is to give each clubber a device like a wristwatch that monitors their behaviour, feeding info back to the HPDJ via a "Bluetooth" wireless link. "It tracks your location, measures your heart and perspiration rate, and an accelerometer monitors how active you are," Cliff explains'.

it monitors heart rate but does it take into consideration those people on drugs cose if ur on drugs ur heart rate naturaly increases which will fool the machine into thinking ur having a good time and will end up playing the wrong tunes.
There r far to many failures that can happen in computers.
The main reason why alot of people go to proper clubs is to see a certain dj and not a computer and that is one thing a machine will never be able to fix.

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Seems like the majority of people are really threatened by the idea of an automated dj, and retaliate by saying its impossible. Granted there is a creative aspect to djing (i've never denied that)... but there is also a huge technical aspect. i am not saying a computer can be creative, but that the technical aspects of djing are systematic and therefore could be emulated effectively.

i think hp has the wrong idea by trying to automate the club dj. i think more of a jukebox approach would be better. Restaurants and retail stores would eat that up. I personally would love to have a piece of software that mixed a playlist of mp3s on my computer for me. Much better than a 3 second fade from track to track.

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I'm not really threatened by the idea of computers being able to mix, because I already know they exist.

It's more the idea that computers seem to be overrated by a lot of people, claiming that they mix better than a normal human dj, and are better dj's because of that.

I was trying to state that only excellent technical skills do not make you a good dj.

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Originally posted by djxtension I'm not really threatened by the idea of computers being able to mix, because I already know they exist. It's more the idea that computers seem to be overrated by a lot of people, claiming that they mix better than a normal human dj, and are better dj's because of that. I was trying to state that only excellent technical skills do not make you a good dj.

lets say dj 1 released an 80 min mix online. the tracks are pretty sweet, and the flow is average... pretty decent mixing.

the general listener would say, he's a pretty decent dj.

lets say dj 2 released a mix using the same exact tracks. but dj 2 didn't mix this set, he used some automated dj software. the mixes are flawless, there are a few tricks throughout the set, including lets say some beat juggling, scratching and some effects. the flow is very good, as the software laid out the set based on track structure and key... the mixing is flawless.

the general public would say dj 2 is a better dj.

when we aren't talking about live performance, and technical skills play a larger role, i think the automated dj COULD beat your avg human dj.

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Originally posted by auujay As a computer scientist and a DJ I think Liam brings up an interesting idea. Of course current software and hardware does not come close to humans but I can definitly see the software Liam discribed (well maybe not the "crowd reaction module" that one had my smiling). Of course it will not be the same as a great DJ but we all know there are plenty of formulaic DJs out there and I bet eventually a program could do a pretty good job emulating it. Of cource just because a computer program could do it does not mean it would replace the DJ. You are right that people come see a DJ at a party (or is that just the pompus DJ in me talking?). I just wanted to say that I don't think the idea is that crazy, just don't expect it in the next few years.

I also think it is very interesting, as I am a computer science student. In fact I'm going to a lecture in 10 minutes entitled "Music and Computers"...

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---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The IMSC Student Council Presents Speaker Series III... Elaine Chew: "Music and Computers: Recognizing Tonal Context" Friday, Nov. 5th, from 12 - 1 pm @ SAL101 The talk will center around human and computer recognition of tonal context. What does it mean to hear the "key" in music? How can we model this computationally? And, how do current methods compare with human cognition? Elaine Chew is an assistant professor at the Epstein Department of Industrial and Systems Engineering and the recently announced Research Area Director of IMSC. Her research interests lie in the design and application of computational models and algorithms for problems in music perception and cognition. She has even created a course, ISE575/EE675/CSCI575 on engineering approaches to music perception and cognition, to be offered next in Spring 2005. For more information on the IMSC Student Council, email [email protected] with questions. This event is funded by the Undergraduate Engineering fee.

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Well, after researching this topic fully and dedicating a good 10 minutes (EDIT: 7 minutes of that was spent waiting for the thread to actually load on TA ) to reading this thread I have come to my own thesis on the automated DJing concept.......




















Automated DJing is gay.

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Originally posted by Dirk W. Well, after researching this topic fully and dedicating a good 10 minutes (EDIT: 7 minutes of that was spent waiting for the thread to actually load on TA ) to reading this thread I have come to my own thesis on the automated DJing concept....... Automated DJing is gay.

and will never happen.

if this thing comes out, it will be in restaurants, shit bars and cafe's.

if a venue wants a dj, they will hire a dj. if they want mixed electronica/hip-hop, they will hire a dj. if they want pop music (which lets face it, nobody cares if it is mixed, its generally just a case of x-fading quickly at the right place which winamp can do already) they will buy a jukebox.

conclusion: there is no point in developing this thing, as a jukebox is just as good, making the whole idea a waste of money.

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