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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery if you don't count this bastardised version of it some big jocks mistakenly think of as prog.

You're right about that... just about everything that doesn't immediately qualify as trance, gets called prog

Fuck the name-calling anyway

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I find it funny how they pick the genre that progresses the least and call it progressive...

Once again you show the TA community you vast knowledge of music.

Bravo Jackass.

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Originally posted by Radagast Originally posted by Ishkur Progressive Trance doesn't really refer to any kind of build or climax, though a lot of them have that. It refers to the changing bass chords that kind of give the looping lead synth the impression that it's moving forward, or building towards something, when it's really not (it's just the same loop over and over again)...hence: "progressive". See, here's where things get all muddy and confusing. Progressive Trance is really supposed to be nothing more than an extension of Progressive House, which is a ten year old term to explain music like Leftfield that was housey, but with those spitting synths that are ubiquetous trance. The defining signature of Progressive Trance, that differentiated it from regular trance around 95 or so, were bass chord changes (in aeolian scale, usually) that, although the lead synth was just repeating itself, gave it the feeling of it moving forward or building towards something ie: progressing. Hence Progressive. It's the oldest trick in music. Go to my Guide and listen to the Progressive Trance samples. ESPECIALLY Gamemaster and Dream Universe....ignore the lead synth and listen to what the bass chord is doing, how it changes keys every four bars. All the genres that spawned from that...especially the ridiculous, pompous anthem ones, utilize the same technique to idiotic extremes, giving it an "uplifting" feel. Probably where the butchered yet aptly described "Uplifting Trance" comes from. "Progressive" as a just genre all by itself is nothing like Progressive Trance, but people are lazy about making up new names for things. Here is where the confusion comes in. The stuff on Digweed's Bedrock CDs is hardly Progressive, hardly Trance, and definitely not Progressive Trance (except for the overrated Heaven Scent). It's more of a monotonous house vibe, though I would hesitate to call it house. No one knows where it goes. I sometimes sarcastically call it "House Trance". I have it on my guide as UK House, since only the British could make something that boring

excellent post

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eh, i love both trance and prog (and more),
but to me, they're just different mindsets....

its a matter of HOW u interpret the music,
which leads to how u REACT to it

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza Once again you show the TA community you vast knowledge of music. Bravo Jackass.

You keep digging the hole deeper, pal.
Maybe if you actually read the follow-up post I did you wouldn't make such an idiot out of yourself (though it wouldn't be the first time).

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I totally agree with you Mr Mystery, but some people don't seem to understand what you are trying to say.

I interpreted your statement like this:

In a sense, "progressive" is an oxymoron because the music does not actually progress all that much during the track, which is characterised by repetitive looping of the melody/synths and only gradual changes in the bass/percussion to give the impression of moving forward or "progressing" in the track.

Talking about an individual track "progressing" is a different argument to the entire genre popularly called "progressive".


Am i on the right track?


*EDIT* typo

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Originally posted by A.J. I totally agree with you Mr Mystery, but some people don't seem to understand what you are trying to say. I interpreted your statement like this: In a sense, "progressive" is an oxymoron because the music does not actually progress all that much during the track, which is characterised by repetitive looping of the melody/synths and only gradual changes in the bass/percussion to give the impression of moving forward or "progressing" in the track. Talking about an individual track "progressing" is a different argument to the entire genre popularly called "progressive". Am i on the right track? *EDIT* typo

That is exactly what I meant, thank you

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Not that it matters, though, since it seems Dave has some sort of personal grudge against me and will deliberately misinterpret every post I make.

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White Room is not prog.

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Progressive is definetely the edm newbie confusion category.

I personally believe that what is called prog can change over time because what is called prog in 1985 is probably much different to prog now.

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Originally posted by Radagast Originally posted by Ishkur Progressive Trance doesn't really refer to any kind of build or climax, though a lot of them have that. It refers to the changing bass chords that kind of give the looping lead synth the impression that it's moving forward, or building towards something, when it's really not (it's just the same loop over and over again)...hence: "progressive". See, here's where things get all muddy and confusing. Progressive Trance is really supposed to be nothing more than an extension of Progressive House, which is a ten year old term to explain music like Leftfield that was housey, but with those spitting synths that are ubiquetous trance. The defining signature of Progressive Trance, that differentiated it from regular trance around 95 or so, were bass chord changes (in aeolian scale, usually) that, although the lead synth was just repeating itself, gave it the feeling of it moving forward or building towards something ie: progressing. Hence Progressive. It's the oldest trick in music. Go to my Guide and listen to the Progressive Trance samples. ESPECIALLY Gamemaster and Dream Universe....ignore the lead synth and listen to what the bass chord is doing, how it changes keys every four bars. All the genres that spawned from that...especially the ridiculous, pompous anthem ones, utilize the same technique to idiotic extremes, giving it an "uplifting" feel. Probably where the butchered yet aptly described "Uplifting Trance" comes from. "Progressive" as a just genre all by itself is nothing like Progressive Trance, but people are lazy about making up new names for things. Here is where the confusion comes in. The stuff on Digweed's Bedrock CDs is hardly Progressive, hardly Trance, and definitely not Progressive Trance (except for the overrated Heaven Scent). It's more of a monotonous house vibe, though I would hesitate to call it house. No one knows where it goes. I sometimes sarcastically call it "House Trance". I have it on my guide as UK House, since only the British could make something that boring

Can someone please tell me if this analysis is correct or not.

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Originally posted by m0sh White Room is not prog.

my litmus test for prog is the dance test.

picture DJ in the main room at a club spinning white room. you'll be dancing your ass off and generally going ballistic.

prog for me is more a listening journey rather than a dancing one.

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Originally posted by vatoloco77 Some examples; Ava Mea - In the end Furry Nipples - surroundings Rouzbeh Delavari - La la la The MFA - Motherload Whiteroom - The white room .... And Much of Ozgur Can

From that list I would only classify Motherload as a progressive track. BTW just cause you hear a track on Global DJ Broadcast doea not mean that it is prog.