What?
If you're trying to make a point make it...
I'm really not sure what's trying to be insinuated here...

To answer the question though, the revolution is what brought Khomeini back to Iran; to take power as "Leader of the Revolution", and later "Supreme Spiritual Leader".

Khomeini was no friend of the States (or anyone else around Iran) that's for sure. He's the one responsible for the US (and other countries; including Arab ones) becoming buddy/buddy with Saddam in the first place.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r What? If you're trying to make a point make it... I'm really not sure what's trying to be insinuated here... To answer the question though, the revolution is what brought Khomeini back to Iran; to take power as "Leader of the Revolution", and later "Supreme Spiritual Leader". Khomeini was no friend of the States (or anyone else around Iran) that's for sure. He's the one responsible for the US (and other countries; including Arab ones) becoming buddy/buddy with Saddam in the first place.

I dont know why I have to reply to this but meh


The revolution was another US OF A creations Khomeini was brought back to Iran by help of Americans,and then a few years after the revolution Komeini became the Us enemy (ust like what happned top Bin Laden and Saddam)then Us started helping Saddam and fight the Mullahs in Iran.

Get it?

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I don't know much about this, but:

From reading the Wikipedia entry it sounded like under the Shah regime repression was a norm along with a low standard of living for anyone but the rich. Am I correct in this assumption?

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Originally posted by St_Andrew Interesting indeed Hopefully big reform will come for the Iranian people

ya right
MAJOR islamic extremism there

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Originally posted by TheVrk ya right MAJOR islamic extremism there

yes not the people tho the government is

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer I dont know why I have to reply to this but meh The revolution was another US OF A creations Khomeini was brought back to Iran by help of Americans,and then a few years after the revolution Komeini became the Us enemy (ust like what happned top Bin Laden and Saddam)then Us started helping Saddam and fight the Mullahs in Iran. Get it?

No I don't get it...

Why would the US bring Khomeini back to Iran only to fight him?
The US and Iran had been buddy-buddy for years...
Your "theory" doesn't jive with the politics of the time at all.

Khomeini was invited by the anti-Shah revolution; not the Americans.
It was the lack of American involvement in Iran from then Democratic President Jimmy Carter that helped Khomeini come back from his exil and then assume power.
In a sense you are right but not quite how you picture it.

Now here's a little history lesson;
One of the major reasons that Iran was in trouble politically, just before their revolution, came when they lent planes (after a phone call from the US) to help Isreal defend themselves after a sneak attack from Egypt and Syria; Isreal's airforce was almost completely decimated.
Needless to say, this was not regarded as a wise move by the Islamic people and 6 years later, they overthrew the government with no help from the States because of the States' change in government at the time of the revolution.
The Iranian people knew that the Democratic President Jimmy Carter was a global pacifist (thumbsucker) and wouldn't interfer; they were right. (This also let to the infamous "Iran hostage crisis")
We are today STILL paying for Jimmy Carter's decision...

Sidenote:
Iraq didn't have the strength to do anything at that time to help either; remember, they also threw Khomeini out of their country (where he then lived in excil in France before returning back to Iran).

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer yes not the people tho the government is

thats all it takes

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r No I don't get it... Why would the US bring Khomeini back to Iran only to fight him? The US and Iran had been buddy-buddy for years... Your "theory" doesn't jive with the politics of the time at all. Khomeini was invited by the anti-Shah revolution; not the Americans. It was the lack of American involvement in Iran from then Democratic President Jimmy Carter that helped Khomeini come back from his exil and then assume power. In a sense you are right but not quite how you picture it. Now here's a little history lesson; One of the major reasons that Iran was in trouble politically, just before their revolution, came when they lent planes (after a phone call from the US) to help Isreal defend themselves after a sneak attack from Egypt and Syria; Isreal's airforce was almost completely decimated. Needless to say, this was not regarded as a wise move by the Islamic people and 6 years later, they overthrew the government with no help from the States because of the States' change in government at the time of the revolution. The Iranian people knew that the Democratic President Jimmy Carter was a global pacifist (thumbsucker) and wouldn't interfer; they were right. (This also let to the infamous "Iran hostage crisis") We are today STILL paying for Jimmy Carter's decision... Sidenote: Iraq didn't have the strength to do anything at that time to help either; remember, they also threw Khomeini out of their country (where he then lived in excil in France before returning back to Iran).

Ummmm... The Iranians were pretty pissed their Nationalist government got overthrown by the CIA. And don't think they didn't know because they did. Khomeini and the events in the late 70's was a catalyst to something the people of Iran really wanted. To get the US out of their business. True Khomeini is a fuckhead and now they realize they supported a tool. But its pretty clear that the US's interference in Iranian affairs was NOT appreciated.

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Originally posted by NYGblue Ummmm... The Iranians were pretty pissed their Nationalist government got overthrown by the CIA. And don't think they didn't know because they did. Khomeini and the events in the late 70's was a catalyst to something the people of Iran really wanted. To get the US out of their business. True Khomeini is a fuckhead and now they realize they supported a tool. But its pretty clear that the US's interference in Iranian affairs was NOT appreciated.

Yep, you pretty much got it dead on. On March 17, 2000, US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright publicly admits to the role of the US in the 1953 coup. "In 1953 the United States played a significant role in orchestrating the overthrow of Iran's popular prime minister, Mohammed Mossadegh. Moreover, during the next quarter-century, the United States and the West gave sustained backing to the Shah's regime. Although it did much to develop the country economically, the Shah's government also brutally repressed political dissent. As President Clinton has said, the united states must bear its fair share of responsibility for the problems that have arisen in U.S.-Iranian relations."

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/midd.../iran_3-17.html

By the way, some pictures of Iran for those who are interested.

http://www.politik-forum.at/topic,1197.html

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer I dont know why I have to reply to this but meh The revolution was another US OF A creations Khomeini was brought back to Iran by help of Americans,and then a few years after the revolution Komeini became the Us enemy (ust like what happned top Bin Laden and Saddam)then Us started helping Saddam and fight the Mullahs in Iran. Get it?

sorry man, but that is utterly false. i don't know where you got that from.

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Originally posted by priveye03 I don't know much about this, but: From reading the Wikipedia entry it sounded like under the Shah regime repression was a norm along with a low standard of living for anyone but the rich. Am I correct in this assumption?

Well, hindsight was 20/20. Before I begin Jimmy Carter craped on the American and Iranian people. When the Iranians broke into the American embassy, that being an act of war I would have bombed the crap out of them.

The Shah of Iran was no saint. His government did have heavy censorship and a secret police. But life was better in general due to the backing and support of the United States. Persia (Iran in 1979) hated communism and had a lot of oil. What more would we want?

People were fed up with the system and revolted. The end product was not a great. They lost American money and companies. The quality of life decreased. Women raised in a traditional Western life lifestyle had to adjust to Islamic law. Censorship is still pretty bad.

They tought it would be great but oops! They could no predict the outcome.