vous avez toute bien raison...


come on...

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They blew the towers, to start the war, to make money. Simple.

vous me décourager pas mal tous...
je suis désolé pour vous
mais un jour la réalité va enfin vous rattrapez...
vous n'aurez d'autres choix que de voir la réalité en face...

BUSH à raison

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Originally posted by PIPER_PEURF une tete bruler par l'excès de VLAD......

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Originally posted by fastmp3 adieu piper

HAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAH sti que je suis cramper au travail

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Originally posted by Bronze vous avez toute bien raison... come on... vous me décourager pas mal tous... je suis désolé pour vous mais un jour la réalité va enfin vous rattrapez... vous n'aurez d'autres choix que de voir la réalité en face... BUSH à raison

open your mind a little. don't just believe something because you want to. at least explore the possibilities. that kind of attitude is what made it so easy for hitler and other dictators.

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Originally posted by fastmp3 adieu piper

HAHAHAHAH,true dat,thats some funny stuff.


sept 11 wasnt only a money thing, cause for money,they just have to kill all the rappers and take their money, it would be dick cheney's pleasure to do that.Anyways, its the richest nation in the world...with a 3000+ billion dollars total of debt.

I must say i find more and more details (besides this video) on these attacks that are troubling and that makes me wonder about what was said about it and if its the truth...yeah now i think its total bullsh*t. But from the start,it was just too well planned out,it smelled fishy,but since we've been threw this a couple of times and everytime i post,its like im writting a thesis and nobody reads it at the end,i will abstain myself of any further comments on that part of the subject.

Final thoughts: i predict a civil war in the states/war upon their territory, they just can expect to continue like that and constantly "hide the truth".

Alright, I hate to burst everyone's conspiracy bubble, but PLEASE, stop it. The WTC towers and the pentagon were both destroyed by civilian aircrafts that were hijacked by Al-Quaeda and rammed into these buildings. There are so many conspiracy theories out there on the net it's sickening. If you want me to spend hours debuking this, I'll do it to prove a point but I hardly think this is necessary. Check these links out for starters.

Pentagon

Article honouring Pentagon victims

The point I'm trying to make is simple. Beliefs should be based on the most reliable evidence we have, not on some irrational emotive reason such as hate, fear, faith or the like. Simply because we hate the States, believe they are capitalist pigs and so forth is not a rational justification to believe that 9/11 was made up. Under scrutiny and the most reliable evidence we have, none of these conspiracy theories are even worth considering.

I hate to say it but Bronze is right in this instance. Vous perdez la tete les amis

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Originally posted by Bronze vous avez toute bien raison... come on... vous me décourager pas mal tous... je suis désolé pour vous mais un jour la réalité va enfin vous rattrapez... vous n'aurez d'autres choix que de voir la réalité en face... BUSH à raison

Yeah

That's probably why he lied about the Mass destruction arms and about the link between al-quaida and Hussein !

KrinKer

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Originally posted by Epicurus Alright, I hate to burst everyone's conspiracy bubble, but PLEASE, stop it. The WTC towers and the pentagon were both destroyed by civilian aircrafts that were hijacked by Al-Quaeda and rammed into these buildings. There are so many conspiracy theories out there on the net it's sickening. If you want me to spend hours debuking this, I'll do it to prove a point but I hardly think this is necessary. Check these links out for starters. Pentagon Article honouring Pentagon victims The point I'm trying to make is simple. Beliefs should be based on the most reliable evidence we have, not on some irrational emotive reason such as hate, fear, faith or the like. Simply because we hate the States, believe they are capitalist pigs and so forth is not a rational justification to believe that 9/11 was made up. Under scrutiny and the most reliable evidence we have, none of these conspiracy theories are even worth considering. I hate to say it but Bronze is right in this instance. Vous perdez la tete les amis

Yeah, i dont think they'd be crazy enough to kill 3000+ people...but let it happen "for the good of the country",thats a maybe for me,and thats another subject,they're were too much clues not to have an idea of what was gonna happen,maybe not when,but what,preparation could and should have been made in such cases.

Johnny,
I'm glad you agree that "they" didn't do it...as for them letting it happen, again, I must disagree...what do you base this on except some vague notion of "better for the country"...do you have any facts or empirical evidence to support this?

On the other hand, we do know for a fact that there was a massive intelligence failure based on all the interviews conducted post 9/11, the 9/11 commission report and so forth. The conclusion was that pre-9/11, the CIA was an incredibly inefficient organization, that US intelligence was in a state of disarray and that they basically botched the pooch on this one.

I don't disagree for one second with anyone that says that Bush used, abused and manipulated 9/11 after it happened for his own and his neo-con friends' vested interets, not to mention to instill fear in every American's mind. But if you want to make as contentious a point as "they let it happen", you had better have some VERY convincing evidence to back up your point.

thank you Epicurus,

For sure there's some grey areas surrounding the events of the wtc and pentagon attacks but something is sure, Al Qaeda is behind them and there shouldn't be a doubt about it.


I am a proponent of the "simplest explanation" theory.

And in this case, what would be simpler, a vast conspiracy involving hundreds or thousands to destroy the WTC and kill many people by teleguiding planes into the buildings... try to keep their mouth shut during all this time.

OR

An attack planned by a handful of men who hijacked planes to fly them into buildings...

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all i have to say is that i just cant imagine how a government could kill that much peiople just to encourage his policies, but hey, arent they hiring people they dont care about such as black people to go kill that dictatorship they want out of Irak?

les gens voient pas que c une gang de chums (incluant la PRESTIGIEUSE famille Bush) qui sont la pour faire du cash
pi quand ben même qu'ont leur frait comprendre ca , yen a beaucoup qui diraient : pi? tu frais pas la même chose ti si t'avais du pouvoir de même???

et la on pourrait embarquer dans une interminable discussion
à savoir qu'il faut abollir les gouvernements ou mettre en place des comités chargés de veiller au bonheur de la planète

moi jvote pour le pouvoir aux femmes

we have to face it; women would do a complte makeover of our world that is supposed to be so good and fair for everyone

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Malek,
What you're talking about in terms of simplest explanation is Occam's razor, and that's very commonly used in philosophy to choose between competing theories.

HOWEVER, I must add that two important pre-requisites to use this are that both competing theories must do an equally good job at explaining the events at hand and must be supported by reliable evidence. In this case, both theories don't since the theory that "they let it happen" or "they did it" has no reliable evidence in support of it. So the argument that I'm trying to make is stronger, in that we don't even need to use Occam's razor since one pre-requisite is not satisfied.

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Originally posted by Mekroon we have to face it; women would do a complte makeover of our world that is supposed to be so good and fair for everyone

I gotta say.. having female leaders in countries like the U.S, Russia, China would shake things up a bit. It's not like women haven't been ruling other countries, like in Canada (Kim Campbell even though she wasn't actually 'elected and it was 9 months), India, like half a century ago (matriarch society i know) Britain, every Scandinavian country..
At least they probably wouldn't be neo-con gun totting cowboys!

Hillary Clinton in 2008... she'll be on the shortlist of candidates anyway (vp maybe?). And my guess is Rudy Giuliani will be running for the GOP.
and then Jeb Bush in 2012.. ugh

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