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MisterOpus1
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Kansas City

quote:
Originally posted by occrider
The story about the democratic counties in Florida that voted for Bush was picked up by msnbc last night:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/

However, if it's fraud than it's consistent fraud because it looks like those same democratic counties voted for Bush in 2000, and Dole in 1996:

Election of 2000
Baker voted 5610-2392 for Bush against Gore.
Lafayette voted 1670-789 for Bush against Gore.
Liberty voted 1317-1017 for Bush against Gore.
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/ele.../7/00&DATAMODE=

Election of 1996
Baker voted 3684-2273 for Dole against Clinton
Lafayette voted 1126-899 for Dole against Clinton
Liberty voted 913-868 for Dole against Clinton
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/ele.../5/96&DATAMODE=

So if you ask me, it looks like it's just a bunch of people who once registered as Democrats never changed party affiliation and are just voting republican. Speculation on my part sure, but it looks like that's what this thread is all about ...


I'd say your speculation is probably right on the money. Besides, I'm also aware that there's a likely answer to the majority of scenarios I posted above, and they are all independent of one another as well, which gives the overall statistical probability of those independent events occurring quite lower vs. if they were actually dependent on each other.

Okay, I think I'm talking out of my ass now - stats. class was waay too long ago. Feel free to correct me anytime here.

Anyways, the mother of all tin foil hat wearers, Bev Harris, has stuff brewing on her website, which you can check out here:

www.blackboxvoting.org

Her book's an interesting read too, at least the first 3 chapters that I've read so far. If they do not have voter verified paper ballots out of all of these new machines by 2006, I have an eery feeling that they never will. I can't fucking believe that the database in these new voting machines is fucking MSAccess! Boy, there's some hack-proof software right there I tell ya!


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Fir3start3r
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Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by DemonicAardvark
That makes you stupid because conspiracies happen.


Up until that sentence, you almost sounded credible...

Please...it's over...deal with it...


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St_Andrew
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Registered: May 2003
Location: Stockholm, Sweden

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
I can't fucking believe that the database in these new voting machines is fucking MSAccess!


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KERRY LOST??!?!?! BUSH MUST HAVE CHEATED!!!!! IM A DUMBASS DEMOCRAT!! WOO

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NiteKiD
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Registered: Jul 2002
Location: houston TX

quote:
Originally posted by rainbow_marble
KERRY LOST??!?!?! BUSH MUST HAVE CHEATED!!!!! IM A DUMBASS DEMOCRAT!! WOO


yup yup all correct except wrong party affiliation

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drizzt81
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Registered: Nov 2001
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quote:
This relationship with voting machines is statistically significant


that is what the site says, but does not offer any evidence thereof (such as a T-test)...

other than that, it is quite scary to see the discrepancy. However, I am done worrying about this. Worst case, I will just go back to Germany, where I have other political things to worry about. At least there people vote in order to preserve their livelyhoods, i.e. the low income people will vote for higher taxes for people with high incomes. They don't cut their own flesh directly.


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http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=239735&page=1


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ogvh5150
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Now before Republicans yell out to the Democrats "Kerry lost, deal with it" contemplate this:

Funny how the Battle for Fallujah is splashed in the news and voter fraud is put on the back burner.

And people think they have a free mind.

It's a one party system deal with it.

I am not talking about Republicans/Democrats/Independents either.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/2004votefraud.html


Palm Beach County Logs 88,000 More Votes Than Voters

Copied and pasted from http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1181.htm:

http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/981
Did Kerry Concede Too Soon?

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1105-23.htm
Machine Error Gives Bush Thousands of Extra Ohio Votes

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/s...ves/000715.html
Palm Beach County Logs 88,000 More Votes Than Voters

http://www.theneworleanschannel.com...899/detail.html
Voting Group Finds Irregularities In Southern States

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlate...4598911,00.html
Voting irregularities found in 7 Southern States

http://stolenelection2004.com
Stolen Election 2004

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/20...rrenvote05.html
NOBODY ALLOWED TO WITNESS OHIO VOTE TALLY

http://www.ultimatetaxi.com/board/messages/389.html
CBS Shows Tie In TEXAS...Bush wins by 31 points???

http://michiganimc.org/feature/display/7644/index.php
Outrage in Ohio: Angry residents storm State House in response to massive voter suppression and corruption

http://www.newbernsj.com/SiteProces...p;Section=Local
Election problems due to a software glitch

http://www.newsnet5.com/politics/3892837/detail.html
Computer Glitch Gives Bush 3,893 Extra Votes

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politi...WVOTE_1105.html
Broward machines count backward

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/3892151/detail.html
Computer Loses More Than 4,000 Early Votes

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/c.../05flavote.html
Software flaw found in Florida vote machines

http://www.zmag.org/content/showart...amp;ItemID=6573
A Full Investigation is Required

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/article_10500.shtml
Should America Trust the Results of the Election?

http://www.dispatch.com/election/el...1105-A6-01.html
In one precinct, Bush’s tally was supersized by a computer glitch

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/s...ves/000712.html
Vote Fraud in Ohio?

http://www.wtonline.com/news/1_1/da...ws/24878-1.html
Maryland e-voting controversy continues in presidential race

http://www.votefraud.org
Vote Fraud

http://www.votefraud.org/how_a_priv...s_our_votes.htm
HOW A PRIVATE COMPANY COUNTS OUR VOTES ON ELECTION NIGHT

http://www.democraticunderground.co...ddress=201x1165
They are stealing Minnesota

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/05/n.../05sanfran.html
Glitches Mar San Francisco Balloting

http://takethemattheirwords.blogspo...958908753400114
AN ELECTION MOST FOUL

http://onlinejournal.com/evoting/11...110504chin.html
The stolen election of 2004: welcome back to hell

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4175
Too many voting ‘irregularities’ to be coincidence

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/stolennation.html
WRH: A STOLEN NATION

http://www-personal.engin.umd.umich.edu/~asatanov/fraud
election analysis, numbers suggest vote fraud

http://www.portclintonnewsherald.co...ews/140871.html
Democrats want election machine firm thrown out

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c...1559EST0069.DTL
Hundreds of people in San Francisco protest Bush's re-election, 57 Arrested

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/lo...-home-headlines
4 accused of voting two times in Palm Beach County: South Florida Sun-Sentinel

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/w...anguage=printer
FLASHBACK: The GOP's Shameful Vote Strategy

http://img103.exs.cx/img103/4526/exit_poll.gif
EXIT POLLS VERSUS VOTE RESULTS, PAPER BALLOT VERSUS ELECTRONIC VOTE MACHINE.

http://www.infowars.net/Pages/Nov_04/041104_votes.html
Presidential Votes Miscast on e-Voting Machines Throughout The Country

http://www.newstarget.com/002076.html
States with electronic voting machines gave Bush mysterious 5% advantage; bloggers do the math that broadcast networks fail to follow

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...voting_problems
N.C. Computer Loses More Than 4,500 Votes

http://www.democraticunderground.co...ess=104x2598159
Bush/Cheney '04: "More votes than voters: Now THAT'S a mandate!"

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MAD411A.html
Grand Theft Election

http://www.straight.com/content.cfm?id=6199
Electronic-Voting Critics Scrutinizing U.S. Election

http://www.opednews.com/kall_110404_outrage.htm
Election Was Rigged and Stolen Where is the Outrage? When Will the Biggest Demonstrations in US History Happen?

http://www.votergate.tv
VOTERGATE - THE WEBSITE

http://www.democraticunderground.co...ddress=201x1293
FRAUD!! in Ghanna Ohio.

Here is one list as an example of raw (pre-correction) exit poll data:
http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=386


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AnotherWay83
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Location: land of d(-_-)b

good post ogvh5150

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ogvh5150
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Registered: Aug 2003
Location: F1 2008 Red Bull Racing/BMW Sauber

You're welcome.

I just hope more people pull away from partisan politics and see the world for what it really is.

Technically GW can still be "elected" for a second term.

The above statement is not in error.


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lucas ss
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Registered: Jul 2004
Location: Kashiwa, Japan

some people aren't happy if they aren't whining about something...let 'em whine....

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ogvh5150
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Location: F1 2008 Red Bull Racing/BMW Sauber

True

There are those that look at the swill and talk about it.
There are those that just eat the swill.
There are those that look at the swill and refuse to eat.


I refuse.


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