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JM
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Registered: Dec 2000
Location: Seattle, USA

quote:
Originally posted by Yoepus
Then how can you explain those that die at the age of 91 yet smoked a pack every day of their life?


my grandpa. smoked since he was 7 years old (2 packs/day since i've been born). died at 83 years old... was a officer for 4 years in WWII and after that won the Yugoslav cross country championship all while smoking.

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Old Post Nov-16-2004 07:26  United States
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JM
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Registered: Dec 2000
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Originally posted by BadBadNeil
Who knows if it is tax dollars but someone has to pay for it. Most likely if you are willing to burn yourself and commit suicide you don't have health coverage. Our country will treat the fool anyways and someone will get stuck with the outrageous medical bills.


i didn't have to type it cos someone else did ^^^..


+1

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N|te-L|fe
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so... where's the vid?!?!


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razmataz
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Registered: Apr 2003
Location: in the clouds from my cigarette

According to a medical student friend of mine who's sources I would tend to trust:

"90% of lung cancer victims are smokers but only 7 % of all smokers develop lung cancer."

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Dunya
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quote:
Originally posted by starsearcher
Which is why they let him burn... "we don't need no water let the mother f****r burn..." till they finally extinguished them


oh my ...! May I ask you a question?
What kind of sample are you?


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St_Andrew
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Registered: May 2003
Location: Stockholm, Sweden

quote:
Originally posted by razmataz
According to a medical student friend of mine who's sources I would tend to trust:

"90% of lung cancer victims are smokers but only 7 % of all smokers develop lung cancer."


only 7%, thats great man

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drizzt81
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quote:
Originally posted by razmataz
According to a medical student friend of mine who's sources I would tend to trust:

"90% of lung cancer victims are smokers but only 7 % of all smokers develop lung cancer."


now we need to wonder how that study defined 'smokers'...

on topic: I wonder why people are not concerned with 'why' he did it, but rather concerned with hospital bills...


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Kzwei
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Registered: Nov 2004
Location: in the red

quote:

Terror case dealt blow when key witness sets himself afire

By MICHAEL WEISSENSTEIN
Associated Press Writer

November 16, 2004, 5:30 PM EST

NEW YORK -- The prosecution of a sheik accused of funneling millions of dollars to al-Qaida was roiled Tuesday by news that a man who set himself on fire in front of the White House was a key witness in the case.

Defense attorneys said Mohamed Alanssi is a confidential informant central to the prosecution of Sheik Ali Hassan al-Moayad, whom U.S. authorities consider their biggest catch to date in a campaign to cut off funding for terrorists.

Al-Moayad, a leading member of an Islamic-oriented political party in Yemen, was extradited from Germany last year and is awaiting trial in federal court in Brooklyn. He and his assistant allegedly conspired to provide material support to Osama bin Laden and the Palestinian Islamic group Hamas.

Alanssi sent suicide notes Monday morning to his FBI handler and a Washington Post reporter, complaining about his treatment by the government and threatening that he would burn himself in an "unexpected place."

He arrived at the White House gate later that day with a letter addressed to President Bush, pulled a lighter from his pocket and set his clothing ablaze. He was hospitalized in serious condition Tuesday afternoon with burns over 30 percent of his body.

Federal prosecutors and the FBI declined to comment on the case. But attorneys for al-Moayad and his codefendant, Mohammed Mohsen Yahya Zayed, said Tuesday they believe the government case was seriously weakened by the incident and Alanssi's suicide notes to the FBI and the Post. The newspaper published Alanssi's letters on its Web site.

Alanssi, a 52-year-old Virginia resident, wrote to FBI agent Robert Fuller in New York complaining that the agent had ignored Alanssi's request to visit his ailing wife and family in Yemen. He threatened not to testify against al-Moayad as a result. He wrote the Post that he was afraid the government might "put me in jail and might torture me inside the jail" if he stopped cooperating.

In what the Post described as a series of recent interviews, Alanssi also said that some FBI agents told him he would "be a millionaire" and receive permanent U.S. residency in exchange for his cooperation, the newspaper reported.

Defense lawyers in the al-Moayad case said Alanssi's allegations reveal the tremendous pressure he was under to produce evidence against al-Moayad and his Yemeni assistant, Zayed.

"This was a manufactured crime and Alanssi had a very strong motive to ensnare these people," said Zayed's attorney, Jonathan Marks. "They promised to make him a millionaire on the one hand if he went along with the program and if he didn't they were going to put him in jail and torture him."

Alanssi approached al-Moayad in a mosque in Sana'a, Yemen, and lured him to Germany last year to meet a man he described as a wealthy American, defense lawyers said.

The American was a second FBI informant posing as a former Black Panther who had converted to Islam and wanted to send money to al-Qaida and Hamas, according to transcripts of their recorded conversations.

The American did not speak Arabic and al-Moayad and Zayed spoke no English, so Alanssi translated their conversations, according to court papers.

"He is the key. He is the man who is the contact between the government and my client," said al-Moayad's attorney, Howard Jacobs. "His credibility is at great issue in the case."

Marks wrote in documents filed in federal court on Monday that Alanssi's translations were "inaccurate, incomplete and frequently embellished." He often introduced baseless statements about terror links that a jury could mistakenly attribute to the defendants, Marks said. The defense papers were filed hours after Alanssi set himself on fire in Washington.

Marks asked U.S. District Judge Sterling Johnson to bar the English portions of the recorded conversations from the trial, scheduled to begin in January.
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-ny--terrormoney-manon1116nov16,0,5612249.story?coll=ny-ap-regional-wire


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-sr...er_11-15-04.pdf

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-sr...hy_11-15-04.pdf

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starsearcher
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Registered: Jan 2003
Location: Toronto

quote:
Originally posted by Dunya
oh my ...! May I ask you a question?
What kind of sample are you?


It was sarcasm...


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