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donegalredneck
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Registered: Apr 2001
Location: Bun Cranncha, Inis Eoghain, Tír Chonaill, Éire
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That's what sets them as freedom fighters apart from loyalist terrorists (concentrating on British military targets, personnel, etc. rather than targetting and murdering people because of their religion).
To overdose006, in return for the provos surrendering weapons some British instalations will be closed and other operations scaled down. At present there are more British military personnel in Ireland than there is in Iraq (c.12,000).
The sitaution with the loyalists differs from the situation of Republicans. Go back a few decades to the end of the 60s when it started. Republicans joined the one movement (albeit different wings of the movement; Óglaigh na hÉireann, Sinn Féin, Na Fianna Éireann, etc.) Republicans of all intellectual abilities joined the one movement. On the unionist side the more intellegent members of the community joined political parties and middle-class unionists who wanted to have a role in a physical force sense joined the police or the British army (this obviously wasn't an option on principle for nationalists, well-educated or not). Working class loyalists with little intellect or education tended to be drawn to loyalist terrorist gangs such as the UDA and UVF instead of the Brit Army, police, etc. The result was that when the ceasefires were called loyalism was without an element of people who could lead it politically (since those who had the ability to lead the loyalists politically were involved in the UUP and DUP). The political process went on without them, and since they or their political wings have no part in the process they're not really obliged to decommission, since they wouldn't gain politically from it. The political wing of the provisionals are continually held back because the military wing of the movement have weapons, and since they're seen as two sides of the same coin the military must be gotten rid of before the political can become absorbed into the establishment. Hence all the fuss about PIRA decomissioning and none about UDA, UVF, Red Hand Commando, etc.
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tu_face
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Registered: Oct 2000
Location: Sheffield, UK
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| quote: | Originally posted by Disco_Gibson
bullshit? then prove me wrong.did u not see my post i said most of the time they went after military targets.here in northern ireland where i live,not where you live,they were forever shooting cops,soldiers,bombing patrols,army stations etc etc.of course they did the atrocities,which i mentioned and did not agree with but they occurred the odd time compared to the amount of military targets they went after.the IRA killed more/targeted more members of the security forces than they did innocents.fact.
stay out of the argument if you dont know what your talkin about. |
as i said, i don't want to get into this argument, but the IRA were just as bad as the UVF for killing innocent people.
there are no innocent parties in this argument, except innocent victims.
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Dec-07-2004 15:32 
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donegalredneck
Senior tranceaddict
Registered: Apr 2001
Location: Bun Cranncha, Inis Eoghain, Tír Chonaill, Éire
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You don't want to get into the argument because you can't defend your unfounded claims. I can't see how you can claim that, with the exception of a small number of cases, members of the IRA set out to intentionally kill civilians, and compare their actions to those of people who most definately did go out and intentionally kill civilians for the most part.
Of course the IRA killed innocent victims, they generally didn't have innocent targets however.
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