Ya i agree with most of what u say man...i find myself in the same depression at times...but never thaught of quiting...

I myself have been producing for 3 years also...on a AMD 900 cpu with 260 ram...pure struggles...

In those three years i would have to say i created about 3 tracks...which only i enjoy listening too lol...i've lost alot of my msn contacts by sending people my tracks and saying is this good?...what if i do this?

I started with nothing...i mean nothing...no money...no musical theory...so its been extra hard for me...but i have to remember that Hendrix became famous using a left-handed guitar and self-taught himself how to use it...

Honestly only now have i been able to create melodies which are enjoyable to others...but yet i want to be my own style...everyone seems to hate it unless theres a tiesto vibe...

all i can say is u got people in ur position to bro...ur not the only one...ur actually in a good position because alot of bad producers think there the shit...at least u know u need to learn more...in time u will progress...i myself have progressed alot in the past 3 years...from creating erratic melodies...to enjoyable ones.

I would suggest listing what u know how to do...and what u dont know and figure out how to improve on it.

btw my probs are layering and making basslines that are as good as my mels...

anywayz bro...good luck...and dont give up...giving up is too easy...producing takes along time to master
sebasano

Hey there!

I started when I was sixteen, atari 1040st and first version of cubase on 1 floppy disc hehehe + hardware synths.. Now I am almost twenty nine, married and still doing it for fun.. Went thrue tons of gear, and fiew times I thought I am going to quit. But I never did, and never will, It's just too much fun for me.. If I stay avay from the studio for fiew days, I feel that I am missing something... That's why I don't like vacations longer than 2 weeks, miss my studio too much, or just playing a synth for fun..

Spend some time avay from it, if something will be pulling you to the gear, continue the hobby, if not than maybe it's not for you.. I seen a lot of people come and go, thinking this is their thing, and only finding out fiew month later, and fiew thousand dollars behind that it's not for them, But I give them credit because they tried, and found the hard way it's not their thing.. No one's perfect, and experiancing somehthing is the best way to find out if it's for you or not...


Later..

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Wow... all I can say is sincere "thanks" for all the honest feedback and words. Just to clear up some notions, I'm not what you would call "depressed" - I'm more like stresesed out. In other words, when hobby becomes work it may become less enjoyable. I don't think I'm ready to call it quits and I am sure that would leave a giant gaping hole in my existance if I did. I took stock and while I may have not become the next PvD or Tiesto, I did have fun.

As many of you pointed out - I know realize that I did overwhelm myself with gear. I should definitely reduce it down to something manageable, even get rid of most of it.

although, as many of you know - it is hard getting rid of gear, especially if you grow attached to it. Take for example the Jupiter 6 and 8 - I couldn't see myself getting rid of them, even though I don't use them as "main" synths. Same thing goes for the JD-800, or any other synth I have in the arsenal.

So, here's what I've decided to do: the ones I don't want to sell - I should pack them up nice and neat and hide them for a little while. Get comfortable with the most complex synth I currently own (which happens to be Andromeda) and if I see that I can have something done with "minimal" setup, then start introducing pieces slowly. And if I see that I can do without those pieces alltoghether, by that time I may have cooled off enough to be less attached and sell them.

I just don't see myself being able to get rid of even the least used synth at this time.

I also read in Future Music magazine that Liam Howlett (Prodigy) had the same thing - he got rid of all his hardware and went to Reason completely. The latest Prodigy album has been created using Reason, a guitar, and mastered in ProTools. The end.

as far as having someone to produce with - that's something that I've been wanting to do. I am kind of trying to get two of my friends involved but... it's tough. Oh, and I don't intend to make this a "career" - I am doing it just for fun nor would I care if I did or did not get signed.

On that note, again - thanks for all the wisdom - it did put things in a better perspective for me.

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Last edited by CynepMeH on Dec-09-2004 at 18:15

working in a record/rehearsal studio in hollywood i see the most successful to very unsuccessful musicians. One of the bands that comes in has been doing it for 18 years and still havent gotten signed.. so just because you havent made anything meaningful doesnt mean that your in it for the wrong reasons. unless of course happiness for you is to be successful to a certain point (i imagine this for you would be getting the track on a label on getting money for it) but if this is not why you are making the music, rather as something to let your creativeness getting to do what it wants then i suggest keep going.. You dont have to spend hardly any money at all to make quality electronica anymore.. and you could always sell the hardware u have if u feel soft is the way to go.. blahhh all im really trying to say is if u have fun with it dont give it up man.. 3 years really isnt a very long time and who knows maybe u are throwing away an opertunity u would get 1 year from now.. or 2 or 3 if u didnt just quit. I hope i helped

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I really suck at making music

With everything you do in life there must be passion. Without passion, there is no energy to do anything.

When I started learning music production, I said to myself that my first tracks should be done as quickly as possible since I knew they wouldn't be masterpieces. BUT I follwed one rule always: Each new song must be better than the previous one. Following this rule made me get better faster because each time I tried to make my new track better than the previous.

You GOTTA sit down and do things. Everything must be done with structure.. If you follow a good structure things get accomplished fast. Here is how I do things:

1. Create the main precussion
2. Discover a nice chord progression
3. Create the main melody
4. Find a catchy Riff
5. Create the first baseline
6. Create the second/third baseline
7. Add transitional elements
8. Create a supporting melody
9. Make variations
10. EQ
11. Add compression

I mean thats roughly what I follow. Sometimes things are done in different orders, but that is the jist of it...

Good luck

N

eq b4 compression Oo? that would bring out the subtractions u are making with eq wouldnt it ?

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Yes, EQ should be after compression

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Originally posted by DickieThijssen if you have the right ideas, but you dont seem able to convert them into your music, dont panic! Dont start a new project, but keep tweaking, one day it will sound good...I remember i once had projects, and i thought they sucked, so i kept starting over and over: WRONG! Just stick with one project, dont rush it, finish it and only start over when you are happy with the result. Each sucking project will once be good, it just takes some weeks sometimes. Imagine how Strange World 2000 sounded in the beginning!

EXACTLY what happens to me! I have about 50-4 or 8 bar loops that have potential but I never get around to making a final track. I have been producing music for so long but I have only ever completed like 1 or 2 songs that SUCK. And both of those songs where when I used to use Fuity Loops 2 or 3.

I just have recently completed a complete trance track that I think sounds pretty decent. I just need to mix and master it.

I'm now starting to realize that all of the VSTi plugins in the world can't make you great a producing. If you have 1 plugin that you know very well then you can make great sounding music.

Another thing thats annoying with me is that I often will produce not only trance, but hip hop, rap, rnb music as well. So depending on what I'm listening too I will feel like making that type of music, so I'm always stopping current projects and starting up new ones.

Anyways best of luck to ya mate, just keep forcing yourself to work on ONE project!

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I'll pull through...

It's time to call it quit when you can't make any good Originals on your own anymore.

like me .

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Originally posted by Octanesyco Greetings. My name is Casey. You can call me Moose. -Moose

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Originally posted by nectario Yes, EQ should be after compression

umm... EQ'ing before compression is equally useful, but different in its purpose.

EQ'ing before compression gives much greater control over peak limiting (de-essing is a common example)... but if u boost frequencies u're likely to lose too much before compression, it's possible the compressor will just squish 'em even more.

EQ'ing after compression allows rescuing of high-end (lets say over 3K) and dropping of boxed sounds (around 200hz)... course, if u boost too much, u lose what u just created with the compression in the first place.

generally i have EQ placed before and after compression because i tend to use strong amounts of compression and use the EQ's to fine-tune the effect... but for someone who's more subtle with compression than EQ, doing a Compression > EQ > Compression might work better.

that said, it's really just a matter of deciding what sounds cool which is something i don't often know til i've tried it...

Don't get so discouraged bro!

The only problem with you is that you perhaps spent your hard-earned cash a little too quickly...as most people can agree, its better to start off slowly and acquire stuff as you get better.

Not get all kinds of gear and then try to learn it all...of course that would be discouraging!

It is very tough to get INSPIRED enough to sit down and try again...I know.

But on the positive side: Now you're set! You've got good gear, and a nice studio... The only real investment now is your time...and that perhaps is the most costly investment of all.

Good luck Cyn! I have faith in you man! Lets hear something great in '05 !!!

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SUGGESTION:

Find a new genre to do other than EDM for a while...

When I get bored with trance, I like to do classical and experimental electronic music

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