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| quote: | Originally posted by Mike_B
Im not pretending that i know everything about the conflient between Isreal and the muslim nation, because i know i don't and quite frankly over here in canada just doesn't affect me that much. However recent events in the world and the fact that i sit near a group of Arabs at work that spent half their time talking about how jewish run the globe are and greedy and so on and so fort, has propted me to do a little research as to why their is so much hate.
one interesting article i came accross Altought i couldn't read it all because i found the guys point of views to be flat out racist, however made one good point. He mentioned that the muslin world is the only place in the entire world that has in fact managed to remove jewish ppl from their society. Everywhere you go in europe, the america's their are jewish ppl who live in our comunities. However the Arab world has managed to isolate them in less then 1 percent of Arab territory; Isreal. So therefore. You walk in Syria, Irak, Southie Arabia etc, and i would be really suprised if you ran into a Rabbi. Point being that by alianating them into Isreal to the point that no where else in that part of the globe will you find a jewish person isn't not enough for them???? What more do they want. Can they not just settle for this.
Now from what i uderstand of the conflict
From what i understand
after world warI the old Turkish Ottoman Empire, which was allied to germany, lost its territory to france and England. On the British portion of land, two palestine states where created, one jewsih Palestine for the Jewish comunity, the other Jordan for the arab community.
Because no other peoples had ever established a national homeland in "Palestine" since the Jews had done it 2,000 years before, the British "looked favorably" upon the creation of a Jewish National Homeland throughout ALL of Palestine. The Jews had already begun mass immigration into Palestine in the 1880's in an effort to rid the land of swamps and malaria and prepare for the rebirth of Israel. This Jewish effort to revitalize the land attracted an equally large immigration of Arabs from neighboring areas who were drawn by employment opportunities and healthier living conditions. There was never any attempt to "rid" the area of what few Arabs where already there or those Arab masses that immigrated into this area along with the Jews!
In 1923, the British divided the "Palestine" portion of the Ottoman Empire into two administrative districts. Jews would be permitted only west of the Jordan river. In effect, the British had "chopped off" 75% of the originally proposed Jewish Palestinian homeland to form an Arab Palestinian nation called Trans-Jordan.
Later on the arab state was remaned Jordan and pretty much forgotten as being part of palestine.
around 1947 after many problems with palestanian jews and arab in-fighting in palestine(not Jordan)the british, gave the problem the to UN and basicly abandoned palestine all together.
The UN proposed resolution 181 to once again split up the Jewish palestine into portion of Arab nation and jewish nation in order to dessolve the conflicts. The Jewish Palestinians accepted the proposal... the Arab Palestinians rejected.
May 14, 1948 the "Palestinian" Jews declared their own State of Israel and became "Israelis". On the next day, seven neighboring Arab armies... Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Yemen... invaded Israel.
And its still going on.
Make peace not war. Most ppl fighting now probably don't even know why or are just told to hate so they hate. |
Mike, again, I hope I didn't sound too harsh in my post because that was not my intent. Also, I'm glad that you took it upon yourself to do some research regarding this matter, because, despite the fact that it *may* not affect you directly, it's always good to be aware of what's going on in the world. Having said that, what you posted is extremely biased (though I know not intentionally) and furthermore factually incorrect to a rather large extent.
I don't want to reply and give my point of view in this thread for fear of going completely off topic with regards to the thread's purpose, that being the Iraqi resistance, but I'd be more than happy to discuss this in another thread. You can even do the honours of starting it. You can call it: A discussion on zionism, early zionist history, Arab-Israeli conflict or anything else you want. As long as we can discuss this civily (as I'm sure we can), I don't mind discussing/debating this with anyone interested.
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