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Originally posted by ShadoWolf For the record, Christianity HAS already merged with other religions. Consider the practices of European pagans and how we still observe them today (Christmas, Halloween, etc.). Or in South America, where traditional practices are allowed within Catholicism. Christianity is tolerant, perhaps too tolerant.

too bad christianity isn't quite tolerant with certain groups of people i.e. homosexuals, atheists, humanists, and other non believers

christianity = rubbish

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Originally posted by TuanAnh213 too bad christianity isn't quite tolerant with certain groups of people i.e. homosexuals, atheists, humanists, and other non believers christianity = rubbish

they are very tolerant with all groups of people. but it is their duty to defend their morality according to the bible. whether that be campaigning against gay marraige, abortion, or fighting atheists to be able to say UNDER GOD in the pledge.

all the groups you just listed are actually the ones who are biased against christianity. christians have every right to exercise their influence as anybody else.

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Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk:: they are very tolerant with all groups of people. but it is their duty to defend their morality according to the bible. whether that be campaigning against gay marraige, abortion, or fighting atheists to be able to say UNDER GOD in the pledge. all the groups you just listed are actually the ones who are biased against christianity. christians have every right to exercise their influence as anybody else.

im not saying that muslims are anti christians or what you say is right, but even if they were anti muslims and your statment is true, why wouldnt they have the same right to defend themselves against christians as christians have the right to defend themself against gays, atheists etc?

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Originally posted by St_Andrew im not saying that muslims are anti christians or what you say is right, but even if they were anti muslims and your statment is true, why wouldnt they have the same right to defend themselves against christians as christians have the right to defend themself against gays, atheists etc?

Well, that is the great thing about freedom of religion. You are able to practice you beliefs. You may freely congregate and worship your God. Christians have chruches, family groups, etc. They use their power to influence laws, such as the definition of marriage amendments to state constitutions.

Here is the link to mine: North Dakota Constitutional Amendment

I am now personally waiting for the lawsuit that will come of this. I wonder how the Supreme Court will rule on this.

And I hope for no hick remarks about my state. These people here are meat and potatoes type of people. Change is bad even though we have the glorious institutions of the Bank of North Dakota and The North Dakota Mill and Elevator. Go state run industries!

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Originally posted by Reverend_Trance Well, that is the great thing about freedom of religion. You are able to practice you beliefs. You may freely congregate and worship your God. Christians have chruches, family groups, etc. They use their power to influence laws, such as the definition of marriage amendments to state constitutions. Here is the link to mine: North Dakota Constitutional Amendment

so you dont think its wrong to enforce your religion upon other and in that way not treat everyone equal?

freedom of religion imo is that you can practice religion your religion, not that you can practice your religion on others.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew so you dont think its wrong to enforce your religion upon other and in that way not treat everyone equal? freedom of religion imo is that you can practice religion your religion, not that you can practice your religion on others.

its nothing but a circle arguement. who's forcing people to go to church? how is christianity shoving its philosophy down people's throats?

you can NEVER treat every single person equal. we are human, and its just not possible. example: communism would be a great system if and only if we were perfect willed, but we are not, and so communism fails miserably. the great utopia of equality can never be reached, the USSR tried for 80 years.

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Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk:: its nothing but a circle arguement. who's forcing people to go to church? how is christianity shoving its philosophy down people's throats? you can NEVER treat every single person equal. we are human, and its just not possible. example: communism would be a great system if and only if we were perfect willed, but we are not, and so communism fails miserably. the great utopia of equality can never be reached, the USSR tried for 80 years.

Amen!

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Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk:: its nothing but a circle arguement. who's forcing people to go to church? how is christianity shoving its philosophy down people's throats?

no one is forcing people to go to church, or very few anyway

BUT that was not the question, the question was why would you make laws in society that have no logical reasoning except for your religious beliefs.

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you can NEVER treat every single person equal. we are human, and its just not possible. example: communism would be a great system if and only if we were perfect willed, but we are not, and so communism fails miserably. the great utopia of equality can never be reached, the USSR tried for 80 years.

well no you can never treat everyone equal, however the laws can and should treat everyone equal.

omg how did i get into this discussion?

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Originally posted by St_Andrew no one is forcing people to go to church, or very few anyway BUT that was not the question, the question was why would you make laws in society that have no logical reasoning except for your religious beliefs.

It is not forcing Christianity but a single principle of their beliefs. Men and women have been married for thousands of years. Polygamy was once common and now society has adjusted for a single marriage between 2 people. Gay marriage shakes this foundation. The key here is change. They believe that marriage is a basic and funimental union between a man and a woman. Marriage was an institution created by God amd then adapted to by secular authorities.

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Quoting Romans 1: 26-27: Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchange natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men commited indecent acts with other men, and recieved in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

God said that this is an indecent act. They do not want this to go public. Becuase the secular authorities are approving something that the majority does not want. (The average 70-75% in favor in the states it did pass.) For them male/female relations are normal. For them peg A goes into slot B instead of in the ass. Since homosexuality is not natural it is a sin. Considering how liberal many people are in this board, it is hard to be a hick.
In my opinion, they should have a civil union but not a full blown marriage, because marriage is mainly controlled by the Church or other religious authority and I want to respect that.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew no one is forcing people to go to church, or very few anyway BUT that was not the question, the question was why would you make laws in society that have no logical reasoning except for your religious beliefs. well no you can never treat everyone equal, however the laws can and should treat everyone equal. omg how did i get into this discussion?

can u tell me where we get our logical reasoning from? ide like to know what u think. what makes your logic superior over my logic, and what makes a secular's logic, superior to any other groups logic?

a law isnt a law until u enforce it. all the laws in the world still wouldnt treat all people equally. prisoners are not treated equally. is that wrong?

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Originally posted by Reverend_Trance It is not forcing Christianity but a single principle of their beliefs. Men and women have been married for thousands of years. Polygamy was once common and now society has adjusted for a single marriage between 2 people. Gay marriage shakes this foundation. The key here is change. They believe that marriage is a basic and funimental union between a man and a woman. Marriage was an institution created by God amd then adapted to by secular authorities.

Well, yes you are right, they believe that marriage is between a man and a women. They think its wrong with gay marriages. However, what right does that give them to say that since they in their belief dont believe in gay marriages, discriminate other people!

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God said that this is an indecent act. They do not want this to go public. Becuase the secular authorities are approving something that the majority does not want. (The average 70-75% in favor in the states it did pass.) For them male/female relations are normal. For them peg A goes into slot B instead of in the ass. Since homosexuality is not natural it is a sin. Considering how liberal many people are in this board, it is hard to be a hick.

Prove to me that homosexuallity is not a natural thing

the majority in the states used to support racial laws too, does that mean it was right?

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In my opinion, they should have a civil union but not a full blown marriage, because marriage is mainly controlled by the Church or other religious authority and I want to respect that.

well, even tho gay marriage would be legal, that doesnt mean that the churces have to marry them, you can marry in a non christian place by a non christian person, marriage is not a definite religous thing, at least not anymore. i would never support a law that would force a church (as a non government instutution) to have gay marriages.

and civil unions does not give people the same righs as marriage, so that doesn make sense.