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Originally posted by Rijs Wicked Neo, You're entitled to your opinion, but when there are the number of inaccuracies like in the above post, I don't see how valid it is on the matter. I've previously addressed your initial argument, however, again, I feel that questioning my actions to be a little wrong. What I do, as an individual and as a businessman, has little to do with you, nor should it concern you. I currently have three individuals working on a logo for the project, DA (as you rightly pointed out) is one of them. There's no secret behind it, because I feel that there is nothing for me to be ashamed of regarding this situation. Your comment regarding DeviantART and their members' response to my offer is, again, ill-founded. There's not been one negative response relating to the contest. Basically, if I'm paying an individual $50 for 10-15 minutes work within Illustrator, it's not exactly bad business practice. Again, it's their choice as to whether they wish to participate within the contest, there's no gun pressed against their heads. I come across as a businessman, quite simply. I use people's talents to benefit myself, because I pay them to do just that. Now, if there's something wrong with that, again, please reiterate. I am not too bothered whether you're impressed with me, or my attitude. The fact is, yet again, it shouldn't concern you. I've paid people to do a job for me, there's no injustice there as it's the way in which the world works. Again, feel free to tell me differently. I hope you're also not impressed with large multi-national corporations who sub-contract aspects of their work out to other firms, because, essentially, that's what I'm doing here. The final point you've made is one that really took me by surprise. If you've cared to actually look within the specific forum, you'll have noticed that I've already created three mock web designs for the new TA. If that's not a contribution, then I don't know what is. I'd also like you to note that I've never addressed money when posting these designs, because I'm not here for that. Again, you have no idea regarding my designing abilities. I can work with Photoshop, I can work with ImageReady, but I'm not able to use Illustrator - which is why I sub-contract my vector work. Why would I pay someone $50 for a design, to pass off as my own, to try and 'earn' money, especially when there's no assurance that the design would be used? You're trying to hardest to interpret me as a bad guy here, while all I'm trying to do is turn an idea of mine into reality, using methods that have been used for years, i.e. paying individuals for their services. Your opinion is not accurate, not in the slightest bit. May I ask that, in future, before you decide to go all out to degrade an individual, using slanderous comments to do so, you either do your research, or talk to the individual privately, so you're not left with egg on your face when the truth is revealed. I mean, all you had to do was ask!

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Originally posted by Icesotope geez what coincedence.. I came across your posts in YaXay Forums, Deviant Arts and DI.Fm Forums becuase i'm a member in those forums mike.. Seriously i don't mind reading you promotion in YaXay (Design Offers, Sales, and Requests Forum) and Deviant Arts for that greens you offer. Tell you the truth, i was a little intrested in it because i'm a GFX artist myself. But then i suddenly felt no confidence when i saw what's the people responce in Digitallyimported.Fm (actually there's no responce there) and specially Tranceaddict..

Again, an individual who's not aware of the facts.

Yaxay - it's not promotion. It's giving an individual the opportunity to earn money by creating a vector logo for me. Again, why is that so bad?

DeviantART - the same as above, again, where's the problem stemming from?

Digitally Imported - I posted a message within the 'Shameless Self-Promotion' forum. Which, if I'm not mistaken, is exactly what that forum is for.

Again, I'm confused as to the thought process of individuals, who are trying (very hard) to degrade me, my actions and my future project.

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle well said

Perhaps, but I don't see why I'm constantly having to defend my actions.

The reason it bothers me is that you are using this site and others getting ppl to make / design professional graphics / artwork for you to make your site look good for a pittance.

Your existance on TA is for your own gains, if you are running this all as a buisness, maybe DA and TA should charge you for advertising your site and employment Opportunities.

I very much doubt that there will be any recognition of those ppl's hard work and ideas on your site or a link to this site or those sites you have used in your promotional campaign.

U claim for the artists on DA that its merely 10 - 15 mins work for them on illustrator, that maybe so because they have learnt how to use the software but what you are failing to address is that the work they are submitting is all totally original material from thier imaginations, that is what the recognition should be for, thier original designs and not the application they use to bring thier imaginations to a visual defintion.

In conclusion, you are using this site and the others with thier members talents for which they will get no or little reward to make u a kickass professional website that offers so far no real innovations to the scene.

You have contributed nothing to TA with the exception of those 3 'designs' which were nothing to do with the original specs as stated by Swamper in the thread at the start and at the end of it when u continued to argue with him over it.

You also claim to be running it in a buisness sense, i can sort of see that, maximum profit for you at the expense of the poor sods doing the hard work for you.

I think the admins of TA should now work out a costing plan for you so that you can pay to advertise your site and the contracts you are subbing out using our forums, don't complain, it's a fair buisness practice.

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Originally posted by Wicked Neo The reason it bothers me is that you are using this site and others getting ppl to make / design professional graphics / artwork for you to make your site look good for a pittance. Your existance on TA is for your own gains, if you are running this all as a buisness, maybe DA and TA should charge you for advertising your site and employment Opportunities. I very much doubt that there will be any recognition of those ppl's hard work and ideas on your site or a link to this site or those sites you have used in your promotional campaign. U claim for the artists on DA that its merely 10 - 15 mins work for them on illustrator, that maybe so because they have learnt how to use the software but what you are failing to address is that the work they are submitting is all totally original material from thier imaginations, that is what the recognition should be for, thier original designs and not the application they use to bring thier imaginations to a visual defintion. In conclusion, you are using this site and the others with thier members talents for which they will get no or little reward to make u a kickass professional website that offers so far no real innovations to the scene. You have contributed nothing to TA with the exception of those 3 'designs' which were nothing to do with the original specs as stated by Swamper in the thread at the start and at the end of it when u continued to argue with him over it. You also claim to be running it in a buisness sense, i can sort of see that, maximum profit for you at the expense of the poor sods doing the hard work for you. I think the admins of TA should now work out a costing plan for you so that you can pay to advertise your site and the contracts you are subbing out using our forums, don't complain, it's a fair buisness practice.

I'm paying those individuals a rate that they're happy to accept - where are you finding the problem?

I stated at the top of my initial post, that if this type of post isn't welcome, then I would accept it being deleted.

I'm sorry, but you really don't know me or the way in which I work. If individuals did come forward with ideas, they would be credited, end of story.

Perhaps I'm not great on Illustrator, but it takes me 10-30 minutes to create a web design via Photoshop, which, believe it or not, is all original and created by myself. I know how long these things take, and we're not talking about them slaving for hours over one small project.

I'm sorry (again!), but what are you actually concluding? Your inaccurate 'theories', your lack of understanding regarding my business practices, or something else?

Every individual that has had their service used by myself so far, has been fully compensated, and will continue to be. Besides, I'm not asking anyone to make me a 'kickass professional website' - I create, I code and I market, with the only exception being vector work and ideas brought to the table.

Again, you're making yourself look like a fool. If you've even bothered to look at my latest two designs, you'd understand that they are what Swamper specified.

Are you just arguing for the fun of it? Because you're raising arguments that I've previously addressed - people will be paid for their work, etc.

At the end of the day, you've no real idea what you're talking about, you're raising pointless issues and you're just trying to get a rise out of me, which isn't going to happen.

I wont delete this thread, but i will close it, i will not let you Market your site on TA any longer thou.
Post again about your site and i will suspend your account.

If ppl are willing to work for you for the pittance you offer to them then thats all well and good but you wont be exploiting members of TA in the same way.

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