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Originally posted by _Nut_ Im in a hole on this topic. By nature I need proof (that is why I am a scientist). I believe that when the body dies... all function stop... mental, physical, physiological etc. Something has to drive everything we do. When that driving mechanism stops.... what drives those processes? Yes I was born and raise a catholic.. but my views are 180° different now. Somehow prove it and I will reverse my thoughts.

of things science cant measure? the mind. love. hate. god?

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Originally posted by _Nut_ Im in a hole on this topic. By nature I need proof (that is why I am a scientist). I believe that when the body dies... all function stop... mental, physical, physiological etc. Something has to drive everything we do. When that driving mechanism stops.... what drives those processes? Yes I was born and raise a catholic.. but my views are 180° different now. Somehow prove it and I will reverse my thoughts.

everything has a beginning and an end. In order for one thing to be set in motion something else needs to set it in motion prior.


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all rules of physics.


so if the universe began at nothing something must have been there before to set it in motion.

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Originally posted by Vivid Boy so if the universe began at nothing something must have been there before to set it in motion.

Bah. Quantum theory is not something I debate about.

Yep. Perhaps not the same as now, but still - because there is a soul or life energy, the body just wouldn't work otherwise.

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If going off the quantum theory...that may be the real answer, I mean energy just passes along somewhere, it never dies so maybe our souls are just energy that passes into a different dimension that we cant see. Since we do not know that it exists or how it would look like, we cant make a visual perception of what it is.

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Originally posted by Remiks If going off the quantum theory...that may be the real answer, I mean energy just passes along somewhere, it never dies so maybe our souls are just energy that passes into a different dimension that we cant see. Since we do not know that it exists or how it would look like, we cant make a visual perception of what it is.

for example, energy stored in our cells after death transforms into thermal energy, which radiates. body gets colder.

i mean, this pseudoscientific bullshit can be applied to everything that lives (i.e. bacteria - they use energy too), does those things have a soul too?

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Originally posted by Remiks If going off the quantum theory...that may be the real answer, I mean energy just passes along somewhere, it never dies so maybe our souls are just energy that passes into a different dimension that we cant see. Since we do not know that it exists or how it would look like, we cant make a visual perception of what it is.

what the fuck does quantum mechanics have to do with death?

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Originally posted by Jocker i mean, this pseudoscientific bullshit can be applied to everything that lives (i.e. bacteria - they use energy too), does those things have a soul too?

why not, just because their function in life is different then ours does not make them any less.



ive always looked at life like this. everything is broken down to simpler and simpler things. i mean we're made of cells cells are made of particles particles are made of atoms and then even the atom can be broken down to simpler things. how do we know we're just not making up something in a larger picture. maybe our universe is just a bunch of atoms making up a pimple on a horses ass in another picture

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for example, energy stored in our cells after death transforms into thermal energy, which radiates. body gets colder.

Who said anything abotu thermal ...guy, the only thing keeping you alive, and your heart beating is an electric charge, thats how ur heart beats. Im talking about u rbodies charge that keep u alive, that goes somewhere when you die, that energy..not thermal.

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Originally posted by Remiks If going off the quantum theory...that may be the real answer, I mean energy just passes along somewhere, it never dies so maybe our souls are just energy that passes into a different dimension that we cant see. Since we do not know that it exists or how it would look like, we cant make a visual perception of what it is.

And again, very well put.

Thats what i am thinking..

Kurwa mac..

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Although I am a psychology major and have a ways to go with my understanding of how the mind works and about consciousness (i'm pretty much a beginner to an intermediate in my knowledge), I feel in many ways we do stay conscious after death, but not in the present form of it. I believe the soul is another state of consciousness, it's like the consciousness leaves the body and goes on in another state. Some neurologists and psychologists have studied Near-Death Experiences and Out-Of Body Experiences, have discovered that these experiences might actually happen, but that they happen in the brain, but some have said they go beyond just the brain and could be an altered state of consciousness or another form of consciousness (soul/spirit) no different than what one experiences through trance states, which often can bring about an OBE. Many native american and other tribal peoples during pow-wows and other ceremonies experience these altered states. So with some research i've done, i've come to believe that death is both a state of being and a state of mind, but is not emptiness, as some believe. The physical body may die, but our spiritual body (the soul/spirit-consciousness) moves on.